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Old 05-04-2007, 03:42 PM   #1
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Activists Want Chimp Declared a 'Person'
May 4 12:24 PM US/Eastern
By WILLIAM J. KOLE
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VIENNA, Austria (AP) - In a case that could set a global legal precedent for granting basic rights to apes, animal rights advocates are seeking to get the 26- year-old male chimpanzee named Hiasi legally declared a "person."
Hiasl's supporters argue he needs that status to become a legal entity that can receive donations and get a guardian to look out for his interests. "Our main argument is that Hiasl is a person and has basic legal rights," said Eberhart Theuer, a lawyer leading the challenge on behalf of the Association Against Animal Factories, a Vienna animal rights group.
"We mean the right to life, the right to not be tortured, the right to freedom under certain conditions," Theuer said.
Their food and veterinary bills run about $6,800 a month. Donors have offered to help, but there's a catch: Under Austrian law, only a person can receive personal donations.
Organizers could set up a foundation to collect cash for Hiasl, whose life expectancy in captivity is about 60 years. But without basic rights, they contend, he could be sold to someone outside Austria, where the chimp is protected by strict animal cruelty laws.
"If we can get Hiasl declared a person, he would have the right to own property. Then, if people wanted to donate something to him, he'd have the right to receive it," said Theuer, who has vowed to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary.
Austria isn't the only country where primate rights are being debated. Spain's parliament is considering a bill that would endorse the Great Ape Project, a Seattle-based international initiative to extend "fundamental moral and legal protections" to apes.
If Hiasl gets a guardian, "it will be the first time the species barrier will have been crossed for legal 'personhood,'" said Jan Creamer, chief executive of Animal Defenders International, which is working to end the use of primates in research.
Although a judge in the case has expressed concern that awarding Hiasl a guardian could create the impression that animals enjoy the same legal status as humans, she didn't rule that he could never be considered a person.
Martin Balluch, who heads the Association Against Animal Factories, has asked a federal court for a ruling on the guardianship issue.
"Chimps share 99.4 percent of their DNA with humans," he said. "OK, they're not homo sapiens. But they're obviously also not things—the only other option the law provides."
One person who brings Hiasl sweets and yogurt and watches him draw and clown around by dressing up in knee-high rubber boots, insists he deserves more legal rights "than bricks or apples or potatoes."
"He can be very playful but also thoughtful," she said. "Being with him is like playing with someone who can't talk."
Hiasl's legal team has lined up expert witnesses, including Jane Goodall, the world's foremost observer of chimpanzee behavior. "When you see Hiasl, he really comes across as a person," Theuer said.
"He has a real personality. It strikes you immediately: This is an individual. You just have to look him in the eye to see that."

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Old 05-04-2007, 05:18 PM   #2
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"If we can get Hiasl declared a person, he would have the right to own property. Then, if people wanted to donate something to him, he'd have the right to receive it," said Theuer, who has vowed to take the case to the European Court of Human Rights if necessary.
what about instead of wasting money on lawers, why don't they set up a non profit corperation, which can both buy the chimp and accept donations from people for it's care? It happens all the time. why not here?

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Chimps share 99.4 percent of their DNA with humans
so do many plants.

I decided that PETA deserved no respect (not that I gave them any already) after hearing about a PETA protest where they were claiming that they felt it was inhumane for a wolf to kill it's prey, and that the wolf should be punished. these people would fit right in with PETA.
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Old 05-04-2007, 07:10 PM   #3
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Any animal that needs 6,800 bucks a month in vet care should have been put down long ago. Animals were put on this planet for our use, not the other way around. I could give a code citation from Genesis if anyone's interested in the code text.
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Any animal that needs 6,800 bucks a month in vet care should have been put down long ago. Animals were put on this planet for our use, not the other way around. I could give a code citation from Genesis if anyone's interested in the code text.
Ditto that MD!

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