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Old 12-12-2017, 04:09 PM   #21
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Here's a couple of examples of part of what's being done to work towards getting a better handle on the fire problem....
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These or similar types of vents are required. More and more construction detailing is being used and developed that will make housing more fire resistant.
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they have ski resorts in mountains, and presume they get the equipment up there to build, maintain the lifts, the areas where the homes are can't be so mountainous that at one time or another machinery got there to prepare the sites, install utilities, build roads, so we can only assume they can get equipment back or near those areas.

seems to me, there can be a buffer created between the inhabited areas and the areas you say are too steep to work with where there probably wouldn't be any housing anyway. occasionally, like now, those areas would start on fire, and you would just let nature do it's thing but that buffer strip at least gives you a chance of not wiping neighborhoods out.

i would either not build in an area like that, or take measures to protect my property.

but that's just me.
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The only buffer that needs to be maintained is the one around each individual house. Take the buffer zone to bare dirt as the fire department suggested to me. I will be changing my fire zones to an even better stance after the fire burned up to our fence.

Coffee Park in Santa Rosa showed it only matters so much but the burning bushes and fences are what took most of the houses out.
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Typical govt bureaucracy. The jobs that are delegated to the state they push onto the residents.
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Typical govt bureaucracy. The jobs that are delegated to the state they push onto the residents.
The government owns my property?
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Yup. You think you own it? Stop paying your property taxes. The govt will take it from you.

But how could they take something from you if you own it. Because you don't. You are listed on the lease as tenant.
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I can empathize with you Californians a bit here. Everyone is an armchair quarterback. When we get the storms everyone tells us what we should do yet they have no idea what is reality.

I have no clue what you guys deal with, we get some fires during dry season but nothing like that, that's pretty unimaginable.

One thing mankind does well is survive. I tend to trust those that live in an area know how to deal with it's problems best. Otherwise I should be telling yankees how to use a snow blower from comfy 70 back porch.
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"they have ski resorts in mountains, and presume they get the equipment up there to build, maintain the lifts, the areas where the homes are can't be so mountainous that at one time or another machinery got there to prepare the sites, install utilities, build roads, so we can only assume they can get equipment back or near those areas."
At a high cost and in the scheme of things dealing with an insignificant amount of acreage, that's where you guys are dropping the ball with your reasoning, there's no way in hell to firebreak in any meaningful way all of the tinder country of Cali, spend a week out in the backcountry hiking around in the nasty, inhospitable, incredibly rugged, tough, hardscrabble land that it is and you might start to get an inkling of what would be involved.
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Yup. You think you own it? Stop paying your property taxes. The govt will take it from you.

But how could they take something from you if you own it. Because you don't. You are listed on the lease as tenant.
That's what my grandfather always said "think you actually own property, try stop paying your taxes"
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That's what my grandfather always said "think you actually own property, try stop paying your taxes"
Unfortunately it's the truth...............
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That's what my grandfather always said "think you actually own property, try stop paying your taxes"
Found that out with my parents property when I was 18.

Scary chit man.
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Regarding the "fire triangle", I would remove the oxygen from the entire planet. That would solve everything.
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What has been going on with all those fires is really a heart breaker. I can't imagine all the pain for so many that lost so much.

Some of the wineries have been really hurt from what I read here. One was saying he will process his own smoked grapes because they are unsalable. I hope the wine turns out to be fantastic and he can market the vintage as survivor wines.

I've always wondered about regular controlled burns as a means of prevention but it is likely just nutty fantasy.

My hope is that the recent, really horrendous burns will be fire protection for some years to come.
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After seeing the fire live, and flourish in ways I never imagined, we did some hardcore land clearing again over the holiday weekend, putting another 16 hours of run time on the chipper. We only had it for two days as they are making $400 a day renting it out, and it just so happened no one wanted it New Years Eve, nor day. We use the chipper before it gets serviced, after the previous renter, so there is no cost.

The two guys hired on Sunday refused to show up again on Monday, so I hired my friends nephew to haul trees and brush to the chipper. He stated he could keep up with me, then he bonked I had to finish dragging everything up the hill by myself. Walked 7.5 miles without ever leaving the property. Funniest part though was I tried explaining chipper safety as, "Have you seen Fargo?". After that speech he wouldn't go near the thing

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The fire can easily jump a 10 lane freeway, as shown in Santa Rosa. It can jump miles even from the air born embers. Also a 1/2 mile could be burned within 20 minutes.
Just in my front yard I found two LARGE embers that I picked up and went "Oh crap, my house was sooo close to burning down". Didn't even know until yesterday my neighbor had an ember land in the woods, 3/4 of a an acre, which is my front yard, and start a fire. His brother put it out with a fire extinguisher, and hand tools. It was a fight!

This ember was super light, and found in the leaves shown in the photo.
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