Bonds Just Hit The Homer...

Cole

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6stringmason

I could care less.... He's a cheater and brings shame to the great American past time.

All sports need an absolute zero tolerance policy.

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2ndGen

Besides heresay, is there any proof that he's a cheater?

KentWhitten

Doesn't matter 'cause A-Rod is gonna kick his ass in a few years. It will be very short lived.

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6stringmason

I hope you're kidding. Look at pics of the guy. Look at the people who says hes taken roids. Look at his old trainer who is in jail for not snitching.

Sometimes it comes down to common sense and what you see.

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KentWhitten

Problem is we live in the USA and you are (usually) innocent until proven guilty. He did not get that way solely on the assumption of taking steroids. He has quite a physical training regimen that also makes him look that way. Most everyone in the NFL looks that way. Every single person who is muscular in build is not taking steroids. He's just in the spotlight.

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jlandry

What about all the other people in baseball that have "cheated" such as corked bats, spitballs, nail files to rough up baseballs, etc. Did they face the same scrutiny? Bonds probably did roids but it was not against the rules when he did it. It might have been illegal in society but not in Basball. I really don't like Bonds but he is a great player and deserves to be treated the same as everybody else.

Cole

I just cant get myself to the like the guy!

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2ndGen

Well if "looks" are any indication, I must be on roids too.

Besides that, he's not the president. I don't think somebody would go to jail over him.

The people who say he's taken roids...are they anywhere "near" the record? Haters maybe?

That's not enough. Still all hearsay.

Is there any proof? All successful people have detractors.

I'm not blindly defending him, I'm just wondering why it's such a big deal now.
Look at Mark McGuire. He definately did steroids and admitted it...where's the outrage there?

What's the difference between Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds?

Hmmm...

mickeyco

I don't think McGuire ever admitted or was proved to be using steroids. Regardless we know most of these players do and the league turns a blind eye. Would the players "back in the day" have used them if available? Who knows, it's an unfair advantage and as far as I'm concerned it's cheating. Until the league takes the issue seriously, which means loses some money, the players will continue to use steroids and beat all prevous records. It's no longer about the sport it's all about the money and and doing what ever it takes to make more money.


The Truth About Barry Bonds and Steroids
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...06/growth0313/

Bonds testified that substances didn't work

"Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594

I know I'll use or take anthing given to me without knowing what it is. Plain and simple, Bond's is a cheating weasel.

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ProWallGuy

I don't care about the steroids issue. I don't follow baseball much anyways.

But from the stories I've heard, and the interviews I've seen, Bonds is just a major league a55hole.

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mickeyco

I'm not the biggest baseball fan either but would you take your kids to heroine addicts bowling? I think the tolerance of steroid use sets a bad example for the American youth, for everyone. There's hardly a sport out there without it, not to long ago they caught several Tour de France riders using. Can't anyone play fairly anymore? It says a lot about todays society.

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2ndGen

Not to sully his reputation, but...

http://tinajuanfitness.info/articles/art032100.html

http://www.cheesesays.com/tag/mark+mcguire

My personal opinion, if they (Bonds or McGuire) did or didn't, their (steroids) are just like aspirins. If a guy is in pain, he takes an aspirin before a game and plays better than if he hadn't. Even an aspirin is a performance enhancer, just as is Gatorade when compared to water.

Today's players use far better gloves, bats, balls, cleats than did their predecesors.

Is it cheating? The only way that something that enhances the performance of an athlete is if they use the first bats created for baseball and the first gloves and the first ball. Roids are like better aspirins. Or performance drinks/shakes that build muscle faster.

My main argument is that Bonds is being convicted "before" the trial. Even if he's found guilty of taking steroids, it doesn't take away from the fact that the man hit over 750 homers. Drugs or not. Better bats or not. Astro turf or grass. It's all relative.

It's definately a great lesson for kids...drugs are never the way to go. Never.

I never touched a drug in my life so I can pass judgement on him...but I won't. As for anybody else, the only way you can pass judgement is if you "haven't" used illegal drugs.

The thing is that it needs to be dealt with right away, not left lingering.

Just my 2 pennies.

mickeyco

"Roids are like better aspirins", come on, big difference between aspirin and steroids, one's a legal drug you can pick up over the counter at your local Walgreen's the other is illegal, harmful and in many cases a drug for animals. Aspirin doesn't shrink parts of your body or give you large muscles, it relieves headaches and prevents heart attacks. How do you tell a kid it's bad when the people using it a rewarded with high dollar contracts and fame?

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ProWallGuy

I didn't mean to say the alleged steroid use didn't matter to me. I just meant forget about that issue for the moment. I think he is, personality wise, an ass.

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Norrrrrrrrrrrrm

Bonds just hit the homer and now he's gonna go hit the needle...

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2ndGen

Not in anyway defending it's use or belittling it's damage...I just made the comparison of how people use aspirins to enhance their performance when they are in pain (whether in work, or just gardening, or just trying to make it through the day).

The only thing that makes steroids illegal is a law, but it and of itself is a drug. Just like aspirin. Both enhance performance. One by relieving pain, one by developing muscle or capability.

mickeyco

Aspirins don't enhance, they relieve pain, you're talking apples and oranges here, you don't get stronger and bigger muscles from aspirin, even if you take a whole bunch of them.

The only thing making murder and rape illegal is the law.

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2ndGen

Aspirins don't enhance, they relieve pain, you're talking apples and oranges here, you don't get stronger and bigger muscles from aspirin, even if you take a whole bunch of them.

I NEVER SAID THAT. WHAT I SAID (AND WHAT YOU LEFT OUT OF MY QUOTE STOPPING AT THE WORD "ENHANCE") IS THAT THEY ENHANCE PERFORMANCE ("people use aspirins to enhance their performance when they are in pain"). THEY DO THIS BY RELIEVING PAIN. IN OTHER WORDS, A PERSON WHO IS IN PAIN CAN FIELD THE BALL BUT SO GOOD, BUT HE TAKES A PAIN RELIEVING MEDICINE LIKE ASPIRIN AND HIS ABILITY TO PERFORM IS ENHANCED...NOT DIRECTLY BY THE ASPIRIN, BUT AS A RESULT OF THE ASPIRINS USAGE IN RELIEVING THE PAIN THAT WAS HINDERING HIS PERFORMANCE.

THE COMPARISON WASN'T IN "WHAT" THEY DO.
IT WAS IN THE "RESULTS" OF TAKING THEM.
BOTH HAVE A SIMILAR RESULT IN THAT THEY ENHANCE PERFORMANCE.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS, THEN THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, BUT THE FACT REMAINS, IF YOU ARE IN PAIN AND TAKE ASPIRINS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM YOUR DUTIES WITH THE "RELIEF" THAT ASPIRINS PROVIDE, THEREFORE, THE RESULTS ARE THAT YOUR ABILITY TO PERFORM IS ENHANCED.

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The only thing that makes steroids illegal is a law, but it and of itself is a drug. Just like aspirin. Both enhance performance. One by relieving pain, one by developing muscle or capability.

The only thing making murder and rape illegal is the law.

MURDER AND RAPE ARE AGAINST THE LAW, BUT NOT KILLING AND SEX.
AND STILL, TO MURDER, ONE KILLS AND TO RAPE, ONE HAS SEX.
IT'S NOT THE ACTION BUT THE INTENT THAT IS JUDGED.
BOTH HAVE THE SAME EFFECT (ENDING OF A LIFE, ENGAGING IN SEX) BUT THEIR NOT THE SAME.

SLAVERY USED TO BE THE LAW. SO WAS WOMAN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO VOTE. A LAW BEING A LAW DOESN'T MAKE IT AUTOMATICALLY RIGHT OR MORAL.

AREN'T STEROIDS USED TO HEAL PEOPLE? SO BASICALLY, THEY'RE LIKE BULLETS; INANIMATE OBJECTS THAT AT THE WHIM OF THEIR HANDLERS.

YOU CAN USE A BULLET TO STOP THE ATTEMPTED MURDER OF AN INNOCENT PERSON OR YOU CAN USE THE EXACT SAME BULLET TO COMMIT THAT MURDER YOURSELF. THE EVIL OR GOOD ISN'T IN THE BULLET BUT IN THE SHOOTER.

ALL IN ALL, IF BONDS OR MCGUIRE DID TAKE STEROIDS KNOWINGLY AND IT WAS ILLEGAL AT THE TIME THAT THEY TOOK THEM, THEN THEY ARE "LEGALLY" WRONG. HOWEVER, IF THERE WERE NO RULES AT THE TIME THAT THEY USED PERFORMANCE ENHANCHING DRUGS, THEN THEY ARE IN THE CLEAR.

PERSONALLY, I'M NOT INTO SPORTS. I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING ALL THIS HATRED ON BONDS WHO HASN'T EVEN BROKEN THE RECORD (YET) AND NO OUTRAGE ON MCGUIRE WHO BROKE A RECORD YEARS AGO AND WHO HAD ADMITTED TO TAKING PERFORMANCE ENHANCING SUBSTANCES.

Tom R

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