MetalBender

Our government has now ban all youth ATV's, motorcycles and parts. Even parts that interchange with larger bikes, like throttles are now banned. Weather you ride or not please help support those of us that do, your hobby could be next. Here is a link to AMA to send a letter your state official to protest this ban. http://capwiz.com/amacycle/home/

TBFGhost

wait...what? How? Why?


Wow that is ****ed up

"
As a constituent and off-highway vehicle (OHV) enthusiast, I am writing to ask you to urge the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to approve the petition submitted by the Motorcycle Industry Council and Specialty Vehicle Institute of America to exclude youth OHVs from the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA) lead content requirements.

The CPSIA passed Congress with broad support last year with the intent to protect children from harmful substances. However, I am concerned about the potential unintended consequences of the legislation.

The unavailability of youth OHVs will devastate family OHV recreation and cripple amateur competition, creating a damaging domino effect across all aspects of motorized recreation.

It is critical that Congress and the CPSC know the petition exists and that they act on it to maintain a vital form of recreation for American families, preserve youth racing and protect the thousands of jobs associated with this industry. "

MetalBender

Here's more: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/5/2382...cle-Sales.aspx Throttle for my KLR 650 is not available any longer because it interchanges with a KX65.

BirmanBuilders

How does banning ATV's for kids do anyone any good. What are they trying to protect children from? Enjoying themselves. Developing coordination? Government is out of control, and these so called law makers are just trying to keep themselves in work.

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MetalBender

Here is also a letter sent to all the US Honda Dealers:

February 6, 2009
Dear Honda Dealer.
This letter provides an update on the status of the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act
(“CPSIA” or “Act”) lead content regulations as they relate to the sale of your new and used
inventory of TRX90, CRF50F, CRF70F, and CRF80F models.
Significant efforts continue, including your efforts and communications with legislators, to
exempt small motorcycles and ATVs from these provisions of the Act. The second page of this
bulletin explains some of the larger efforts that industry has undertaken.
We believe that the exemptions from the CPSIA’s lead content regulation necessary to sell small
motorcycles and ATVs ultimately will be granted and, at that time, you will be able to conduct
business as usual. Unfortunately, it does not appear this will happen before February 10, 2009.
Therefore, in order to comply with the Act, American Honda and each Honda dealer must take
specific actions upon opening for business on February 10.
American Honda will send you a list of actions at the end of the day on February 9. This list will
require your immediate attention and action to:
• Stop sale of all new and used CRF50F, CRF70F, CRF80F and TRX90X units.
• Cease all marketing and advertising efforts for these models.
• Remove all display and point of sale materials for these models.
• Stop sale of some replacement parts for use on these models.
In addition, Honda will provide assistance to offset flooring expenses of your inventory for 60
days while we work to ultimately secure exemption.
American Honda would like to thank each of you who have taken action to contact your
legislators to communicate the negative impact of the Act on your business and our customers
without providing any corresponding benefit for children’s safety. Please continue to take action.
It is critical that the wholly unnecessary, negative impacts of the CPSIA be made clear to
legislators so they can take all necessary actions to resolve this matter.
Again, American Honda is continuing efforts to obtain an exemption in order to support the
decades of customers that have purchased and enjoy these models from your dealerships.
With best regards,
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Ray Blank
Senior Vice-President

With this said, all threads on this topic will be locked or merged with this thread so people can discuss in one place. This affects all companies importing and selling Youth Pitbikes including the chinese import companies.

**Edit - Link to a Kawasaki press releas

DetailHandyman

There is NO ban on youth ATVs, motorcycles, etc.

You're working off a bit of hype there. Following this logic, all children's products, toys, etc would vanish from existence.

The "ban" relates to high lead content in any parts for any product sold for use by children.

Short term, the new lead regulations will probably result in some children's items being discontinued in current form, until items can be produced to meet the new standards.

But it's not likely that this will result in wholesale devastation of the youth ATV market...may raise prices however.

Existing / used products are not effected by this.

http://www.amadirectlink.com/news/story.asp?id=613

MetalBender

I must have misread your link. The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA) has effectively banned the sale of youth off-highway vehicles (OHVs). When your done pointing out how wrong I am go to ANY dealer site and find a youth atv for sale.

DetailHandyman

Yes, I guess you must have!

"effectively banned" is not the same as BANNED.

"Effectively banned" is the wording used to generate some hype. This same wording was used in articles by those who produce toys, home crafts and many other children's products.

The CPSIA has no wording in it anywhere (yes, I have read it) that says motorcycles, ATVs, or anything of the like are now banned from sale in the US.

It relates only to lead content as stated in my previous post. (and a few other odd things not related to this topic)

So, if a particular ATV has a part that does not meet lead standards...a part that does will need to be created.

Not saying that I agree with the scope of the law. If your child is licking a motorcycle muffler that has lead in it, maybe there are other issues... but in the long run, if it saves some kids from lead poisoning, I'm for it.

MetalBender

The atv's and motorcycles 90cc and under ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. I can NOT get a throttle for my KLR because it is banned(at least it was yesterday, I called about it and this is how I found out). I don't know how else to explain these FACTS to you. I even posted the letter sent to the dealers telling them to pull all youth models. No dealer can legally sell these machines or parts for them at this time.

DetailHandyman

Well, you could start by having some FACTS. All you have is a statement that something is "effectively banned". That is not a FACT, it is an OPINION.

I'm "effectively" wealthy. So am I really wealthy or just effectively so?

Look, the motorcycle companies, toy companies, et al, are just trying to get people worked up by using terms like "effectively banned" so people will write their congressman and complain that they can't get a KLR throttle. The FACT is that changes to product lines will cost manufacturers money. That cost will affect their bottom line, and that doesn't make them happy.

As with many things...follow the money and you'll find truth.

So, if you want to show me FACTS, show me where in the CPSIA it states that motorcycles are "banned" or "effectively banned".

MetalBender

If they are not effectively banned why does it state that they are in the link YOU provided. effectively = powerfully, completely, thoroughly, virtually. And if they are not banned why are they no longer available at dealers, and if it's not because they are banned then tell me why. Why would the dealer not sell me a new throttle on Saturday, and tell me it was banned? Why would the dealers receive a letter telling them to pull all these products? You obviously have not looked at any dealer sites to see that no 90cc and under machines are available. Or is that just an opinion too.

purkov

What are you talking about. I was the managing editor for Transworld MX for the last year and never heard anthing about it. Can you forward more info???

MetalBender

links in posts. youth atv's, motorcycles, and parts for them were pulled Feb.10 and are no longer available. Look at any dealer site, ANY.

DetailHandyman

Maybe they just don't like you.
Or maybe your dealer knows as little about this as you do.



I don't recall disputing your assertion that no under-90cc machines are available.

I was only disputing the statement in your OP saying:
"Our government has now ban all youth ATV's, motorcycles and parts."

And thus far, you have produced no evidence to support that statement.

framerman

I'm not sure I'm following you. I Googled "throttle for KLR 650" and "youth ATV" and found plenty for sale without any mention of what you say.

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DetailHandyman

Think I already addressed that...

I'd ask if you believe everything you read...but apparently you don't read everything.

BKFranks

Everything I've seen says it has to do with lead.

http://dealernewsblog.wordpress.com/...nned/#more-978

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/5/2382...cle-Sales.aspx

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DetailHandyman

Thank you Mr. Franks!

The second link describes the situation best.

Cdat

Making mainstream news finally:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29227011/

Bkessler

Just because you can find a link on the internet that claims something, DOES not make it true............Don't be so gullible. When something sound absolutely absurd it usually is......



Hey Metal Bender......your shirt is on fire.