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Old 01-28-2013, 06:58 PM   #1
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Alright, I removed wall paper with warm water then scraped and scrubbed the walls again later. I had some drywall repairs as well.

I primed with KiLZ oderless oil based primer as recommended for possible paste residue. That was Saturday. Today I painted with a Benjimin Moore Laytex. An hour or so later it started to blister and peel in sheets..

Everything says its compatible. Not everywhere but definitely over the areas where I used Easy Sand. It appears to even softened it. I final skim coat my Easy Sand with regular premixed. Never had this problem before.
Does the easy sand dry so hard that the oil based primer cant penetrate?
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:12 PM   #2
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Definitely sounds like an adhesion issue. I personally would not have mixed the different types of primer and paint though. You really have to make sure of your prep IMO.

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Kilz OIL based says it can be top coated in an hour with either oil or latex.
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Sounds like not all of the paper was removed.
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I have never used the Oderless Kilz, but I would see no problem with latex over regular oil based Kilz.

Possible moisture problem? Wash off sanding residue? Unoccupied house by any chance? If so, what kind of heat?
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...I removed wall paper with warm water then scraped and scrubbed the walls again later. I had some drywall repairs as well....
Was the drywall dry (moisture) when you painted with Kilz?
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:06 PM   #7
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Yes it was dry and removed well. I went over twice. The first thing I did was remove it then primed a couple of days later once my alteration and drywall repairs were done.

I actually called Kilz and they want to blame the top coat. Something about the hot mud is bugging me.
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Tomorrow Im calling USG & Benjimin, it was after 4 today and I couldnt get anyone at technical support. What a hassle Im still irrated over it.
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Picture's ????

Maybe go over to paint talk and ask.

I refuse to mess with wallpaper. I get asked all the time.
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I use this method all the time without fail when repairing walls after removing wall coverings..........I use the Kilz to glue down existing wall paper as well and paint over with latex. The rule of thumb is always prime as soon as possible. This exposes all the areas you'll need to address....do your repairs and skim coating after priming with Kilz. Sometimes if there's a lot of cutting out and skim coating, I'll prime it again with kilz. It's strange to be priming such a messed up wall but it give you a nice place to start from. Hope I'm understanding your situation correctly.

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Alright, I removed wall paper with warm water then scraped and scrubbed the walls again later. I had some drywall repairs as well.

I primed with KiLZ oderless oil based primer as recommended for possible paste residue. That was Saturday. Today I painted with a Benjimin Moore Laytex. An hour or so later it started to blister and peel in sheets..

Everything says its compatible. Not everywhere but definitely over the areas where I used Easy Sand. It appears to even softened it. I final skim coat my Easy Sand with regular premixed. Never had this problem before.
Does the easy sand dry so hard that the oil based primer cant penetrate?
Sometimes when you pull the wallpaper off, it can lift the paper on the drywall. Then it blisters when painted.
Or did it only peel at the muded areas?
Whatever is on the backside of the peeled paint is usually what failed.
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Unless I find more upon my return it was localized to the hot mud.
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Unless I find more upon my return it was localized to the hot mud.
Since you skimmed over the hot mud with AP. Sounds like the Ap didn't adhere to the hot mud.
Did you thin the AP with water?
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Paul I didnt water down the regular light weight compound. The paint and primer peeled right off the easy sand like it never bonded but the issue didnt surface until the latex was done. Maybe I second coated too fast, it cracked like alligator skin first.
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At this point whatever failed failed. The question is whats the fix? Sand the edges fill the void with reg mud, prime and paint again.
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Kilz is made to seal stains, period, hence the name Kilz. It dries too fast to penetrate the substrate and therefore it does not made a good primer. Next time use Zinsser's Gardz to seal in the patches and residual wallpaper paste.
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Will try something diffferent next time. Kilz oil was recommended to go over paste. I sanded the edges and skim coated the peeled areas. The whole bath was papered but the only real problem happened over the easy sand. Maybe abnormal cure.
Benjimin Moore suggested omitting primer this go around because their premium product is self priming. I have not yet tried to recoat. I figuired I would tile & grout the floor and allow more drying.

Whats the fix if I go to paint tomorrow with latex and it starts to pull away again? It really blows.
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Is there heat in the home? Maybe some water remained in the easy sand, the oil flashed off quickly and then the water made the latex bubble? You said some of it alligatored though which makes it sound like an oil water compatibility issue...
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Something was not dry. Make sure your hot mud has sufficient time to dry not just get hard. Paint with high solids will do this if primer or mud underneath is not fully dry.
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I swear easy sand can be more trouble than its worth. You never get the curing time advertised. I primed a day after the fact. I think the easy sand did cure funny or at least retained water longer than it should have....the people have the heat on 80 over there and its humid. I had the exhaust fan running constantly.
At this point I can only hope that is the case. I grazed the entire room with a sander. Skimmed the peels and will see tomorrow.

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