RE-BATH Or BATH FITTER Anyone See Bad Jobs Or Bad Experiences???

Mike Finley

Without even getting into the rest of the crap...


So all your workers/owners are licensed electricians and plumbers?

Let me guess.... HOMEOWNER'S PERMIT?

HA HA, thanks for just one more bit of evidence to trash you with.

I'd also looooooooooooooooooooooove to see you post a copy of your 'life time ' warranty for all to see.

Care to share the statistics of the industry back grounds of your owners/installers?

woodmagman

Welcome to the forum..... I can not beleive you have and opinion on this subject.
As a salesman I believe you to be qualified, because you say you are. As a tradesman you are required to acquire certification in my neck of the woods by attending trade school and progressing through an apprenticeship program. This takes on average 4 years. At the end of the program you receive the desired certification. Now that does not allow a carpenter to do electrical or what have you. If your company is staffed with journeyman then I say good on you....if it is staffed we dudes who know a thing or two then and poses no recognized certification then I say what the heck…..
Good post, I still can not believe this thread got to you...

sales guy

Of course all our workers are not licensed. But the work that requires any permits is always done by a staff licensed plumber/electrician. And you know they don't have to be so what is your point. You and I both know unless the drain is either relocated, or changed to a different size, or their is electric involved, then no permit is required for simple remodeling, like installing a vanity, re-tiling a floor, etc. Why would you write such a silly post dude?
Home owners never pull permits! We are fully licesned and always pull any required permits.

Why do you have such a burr up your backside with re-bath anyway?
Our warranty is always available on our web site and has no limitations other than abuse. What's your warranty say?

Last, but not least from your hit parade of smear tatics, what do you mean stats for our installers? At our three locations in Carolina, we have installers with backgrounds in plumbing, carpentry, handyman services. If we train them to our standards what difference does their background make. We don't hire kids from burger king to install if thats what you are getting at.


It would seem to me you are another one of the contractors that spends more time running down the competition, then selling your products and services on it's own merits.

sales guy

After watching Holmes on Homes from ontario, I can't believe anyone in Canada has a licesne to do anything the right way! Seriously. We have full licenses for electric and plumbing. We always pull the required permits. We do train our installers. Their is no formal schooling required for cosmetic stuff like flooring, basic fixtures etc. When drains are enlarged, or moved, or wiring is done, then we have our proper electrians or plumbers do that portion of the work.

woodmagman

"Ontario" that is a town in Quebec isn't it. We know that all the contractors on that show are migrants from the south......that were run out of towns all across the eastern coast and midland counties. And alot of them were from California, actors you know, practicing their craft at pretending to be contractors..and it work, they got their 30 minutes of fame on HH...

So you do hire sub-contractors then!

Mike Finley

Your lifetime warranty isn't available on your website, it says to ask your local franchise operator.

kevjob

I had no idea you removed the tub, what happens when you have sub-floor replacement? I have a GC license other wise technically you are not allowed to rplace subfloor without a permit.

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silvertree

To Sales Guy and others, to date I have done 3 installs.I didn't like the look of the finished product and had concerns about water getting in under the new tub. As systems go it is a decent system, that is acrylic liner over cast iron. The company that makes the tubs has a factory with just about every tub made, you identify the tub and they heat the acrylic and vacuum suck it down to fit over the tub mold.
As I said, I didn't care for it, went back to remodeling only, didn't like the plastic look and didn't think it would last. But it's the same acrylic that whirlpool tubs use. I don't know about rebath but my tubs came from BCI.
http://www.bciacrylic.com/ Check it out for yourself.

sales guy

No, We only have employees doing all work. In the good ol us of a a sub is someone brought in to do a portion of work on a job they have bid on. They are paid a fixed rate, and cary their own insurance, bond etc. We use 100% employees that are paid by the hour, and are fully insured and bonded through us their employer.

sales guy

Depending on the exact job, we do not need a permit to replace a plywood subfloor. About half the housing here is built on slab, so no structure work is required. We do hold a GC, and Plumber license though. We find alot of water damage when we remove either a cracked fiberglass unit, or break out the pan of an old ceramic tile shower. Back in the 50's and 60's no one used a bladder, or any other type of water proof seal with tile. So sub floors almost always have to be replaced. Now if there is deeper problems, like rotten joists, sinking etc. We will bring in a structural specialist, and let them confer with the client.

At least at our three locations we only do about 5% tub liners. Most of the time even with cast iron we recommend a tear out.

sales guy

Go to a franchisee's web site, most of us have it posted. It's real simple! We will replace any part of our tub or shower construction due to all failures for life. Other than abuse. Acrylic will not stain, or fade, or change colors, shouln't crack, peel, or chip. It may not look as great as exotic tile work, but it is a good product for alot of people to consider.

TurnkeyConst

Sales Guy,
Wasn't it a coincidence that I was at homer depot this morning and run into an old friend who currently works for re-bath. I had read your post yesterday evening. So I asked him if they ever have to move plumbing and wiring. Well much to my suprise he said yes. Also 90% of the time he said he doesn't deal with permits. I know I can trust his answers because he used to work for my dad and was very trustworthy. I love when salesman talk about their business but when it comes down to the nitty gritty like permits they just overlook them. I deal with the planning, zoning, and inspections in 5 surrounding counties so I know that they could be more of a pain than just allowing you a day in and day out inspection with completion. I could see if you had 1 plumber and 1 electrician that dealt with all the inspectors they may get on your side. But I highly doubt it.

KillerToiletSpider

It looks like hammered dog crap.

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fci

When I was in addition business, if a customer was considering a tin florida room or as we call it a disposible addition, we knew they were not interested in quality or adding true value to thier home. IMO I don't consider anyone interested in a re-bath or bathfitters a customer who knows the difference between quality and a quick fix/bandaid. I'm sure that I'll never be convinced that hardened shrinkwrap is any good for anyone except the salesman who's just made a comission.
I don't think they take the tub out. I think they just cover up what is there. Mold and all.

sales guy

Can't speak for bath fitter, but we never leave mold behind. It is cut out and green board goes up. Sub floor gets replaced etc. Only about 5% of our biz is tub liners. Most of the time they have to come out.

dirt diggler

one note though, if it helps - just cutting the mold-afflicted areas out will not completely solve the problem

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woodmagman

That is interesting, I would not have suspected that would be the case as your entire marketing is based on covering up the cast iron tubs....So the cost effective approach is just to get your foot in the door and if it is an easy job you slap in a liner and if it is a R&R you do it all..95% of the time. That I can agree with.

go dart

sales guy standing on his own two feet. good job! locally here (kc) home depot bought the liner co and made a bad product even worse. you're guilty by association although i believe you work for a better liner co if there is one.

SuperiorBuilt

I'm curious if you remove mold areas from the shower pocket (tiled area) why not you install concrete backer board instead of a MR sheetrock?
I agree with some of the other: there are 2 different types of bath room remodels - the full gut job and the cover method. only the HO can really make the call on this one. I would personally go with a full gut job if there are any signs of mold or wood rot.

ApgarNJ

I personally have never seen one of these liners installed but it sounds like it would look pretty bad afterwards unless you look at from afar and don't reallly touch it.
the good thing is, that there is a wide range of homeowners and some dont want the gut job and are happy with a hotel looking plastic bathroom.

there is a place for each job. i prefer the gut to the studs job and clean up any mold if it is there.

i can see where these homeowners are thinking about selling and so won't get that 30k back when they sell. but I think someone else stated this too, it may sell the house faster to someone who walks in and loves the custom work and knows they never have to touch that bathroom again, (as long as they like the design and choice of decor) on the other hand though some home buyers just expect to have to redo much of it anyways, so it fits their tastes. If it's done correctly without going way out on a limb with funky tile and colors, it will help sell the house faster. but definitely not add 30k to the asking price on the house.

sales guy, you are going to get a bad rep most of the time whether your franchise does great work or not, just because you are associated with a company that covers stuff up and it looks cheap. there are a lot of hacks out there who do the re-baths making you look bad as well. just like the bad contractors out there doing hack jobs and making us honest guys look bad