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Old 04-06-2005, 11:33 PM   #21
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I like how these guys never seem to have the courtesy (?) to mention how much they charged for the work in the first place. I say why tell them anything.

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Old 04-07-2005, 12:18 AM   #22
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I like how these guys never seem to have the courtesy (?) to mention how much they charged for the work in the first place. I say why tell them anything.
Sure. Plus, the original description of the scope of the work sounded more like the way a homeowner would describe things. A genunie contractor asking this question in a legitimate manner could have/would have written a quite long dissertation describing the work if he really wanted accurate input from others. Reminds me of a "I need a few plugs replaced" phonecall I got a few weeks ago that actually involved totally rewiring a duplex.
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Felony!!
I'd like to see ny require a license,
$35. for a dba ,hopefully smart enough to get some insurance, a skill saw and a pick up truck your in buisness. New guys every where... in 96 I ran in to a guy who couldn't even tape dry wall ,he got fired flipped fries for a while then went in to the contracting buisness... I just don't get it.
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upon readind this thread the tone changed from being a lagit job to a sidejob.
first thing i would say to you mantus is if you are serious about making this your profession and livelyhood you need to change the old train of thought on it all

just because the owner doesnt want it you have to think of protecting them from themselves
there is an incredible amount of liability involved make that one of your top priorities
as far as the plumbing and electrical friend or not if its not done to the code (that is a minimum)get someone else

not trying to bust your chops just think if you are serious start to think that way get insured, pull proper permits and have all inspections covers your b*tt and the cost and time is nothing compared to the consiquences

if not hell keep it up i dont mind doing insurance bids just cant stand the smell of kilzit
I hear you... Thanks for the advice
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Contracting in FL without a license is now a FELONY. I'm sure that other states will follow.
so what does it take to get a contractors license?
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Since I moderate a few forum areas on a few other boards, I notice that guys asking "how much would you have charged" questions are really making several statements rather than asking a legitimate question.

1) They really don't care what you would have charged.
2) They want to show all legitimate contractors how "smart" they are by cutting corners and performing below minimum code standards in order to offer the customer a super cheap price.
3) They wish praise from legitimate contractors for such activity in order to further legitimize themselves.
4) When you constructively and respectfully point out faults, they try to act like they already knew what you told them.

It's a pattern that has repeated itself dozens of times before, and this thread followed the same M.O. almost to the tee.
I really don't know what your trying to say. I have to say that i don't understand you at all ... I want to know what a job like that would cost so i know for future reference. i'm not even going to waste my time with this one
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I like how these guys never seem to have the courtesy (?) to mention how much they charged for the work in the first place. I say why tell them anything.
Didn't know i had to mention that sorry. We charged 2,250 for 10hrs of work. Now what else should i have mentioned?
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Felony!!
I'd like to see ny require a license,
$35. for a dba ,hopefully smart enough to get some insurance, a skill saw and a pick up truck your in buisness. New guys every where... in 96 I ran in to a guy who couldn't even tape dry wall ,he got fired flipped fries for a while then went in to the contracting buisness... I just don't get it.
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Well here is the way i see it. I know alot and i mean ALOT of GCs who don't have a clue how to read a tape ... ok they can read a tape but not much of anything else and they make tons of money as GCs so now tell me where is the GC school i need to attend in order to become a GC. Your right there isn't one. I'm a carpenter. I am great at installing cabinets,good with sheetrock,and i do crown molding better than guy with 20yrs in the business. I'll have to post a pick sometime of my work. SO NOW why can't i become a GC and these limp********************s can? Because i need insurance.. Covered ..... I need permits ... NO problem ..... I need to know how to bull******************** customers ... Ummm sorry i'm not good at that one. I'll let you know how business goes :Thumbs:
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...now tell me where is the GC school i need to attend in order to become a GC. Your right there isn't one...
Many colleges offer 2 year degrees in construction technology, civil engineering technology, and construction management. Add several years of experience to that, and you have a good start.
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Many colleges offer 2 year degrees in construction technology, civil engineering technology, and construction management. Add several years of experience to that, and you have a good start.
yes but i don't NEED to attend them. Too many people with less knowledge than me make a killing. I have a son and a wife,do you think i am really going to spend time(could be making money) and money going to school because someone tells me that is the RIGHT way to do it? please give me a break. It's not that hard. I am not going to argue about this anymore because i see i am getting nowhere and deffinitaly not learning a damn thing here. I just asked the same question on one of my bodybuilding boards and you just wouldn't believe all the help i get. Like i said people are so scared of someone taking away their work. I see it all the time
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...people are so scared of someone taking away their work. I see it all the time...
Yeah, I'm definitely $#!TTING my pants over it.

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Yeah, I'm definitely $#!TTING my pants over it.

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I already told you,you live in NY you have no reason to be scared Allright man,let's just forget i ever made this post. friends?
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MANTUS, Here a County Residential Contractors license requires a minimum of 5 years of verifiable supervisory experience in the field + tests + all of the usual business trappings.
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MANTUS, Here a County Residential Contractors license requires a minimum of 5 years of verifiable supervisory experience in the field + tests + all of the usual business trappings.
well it's a good thing that's not the case here because plenty of people would be out of work
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well it's a good thing that's not the case here because plenty of people would be out of work
From what I'm reading here, Your going to be the next one out of work.
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I'm a little bit puzzled why a person would post for advice on a contractor's board and not take the advice? Or at least acknowledge its merits? I guess that might be a question for a psychology forum and not this one.
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I know alot of GCs who don't have a clue how to read a tape ... ok they can read a tape but not much of anything else and they make tons of money
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I'm a carpenter...better than guy with 20yrs in the business.


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I need to know how to bull******************** customers ... Ummm sorry i'm not good at that one.
Don't bother trying to develop that skill. It won't help you at all. If you think it's helping others, you're wrong. First, learn how to listen. Second, learn how to listen better. You'd be surprised how far listening alone will take you.

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Too many people with less knowledge than me make a killing. It's not that hard.
Dude, if you're feelin' froggy, by all means leap. Gather up all the money you need and put it out there -at risk. But if you're thinking all those nitwit GC's you know are some kind of indicator about how easy it is too make it then you are really on the wrong track. If they are as dumb as you say I'd bet they know less about measuring how much money they're making than they do about measuring a piece of lumber.

If yopu're serious about going on your own, take the time to sit down with pencil and paper and really sketch out what it'll take. Make a list of every single thing you'll need, every cost you'll have. Very few (if any) small contractors make it without a comprehensive understanding of what their business entails.
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I'm a little bit puzzled why a person would post for advice on a contractor's board and not take the advice? Or at least acknowledge its merits? I guess that might be a question for a psychology forum and not this one.
And i'm a little puzzled why no one answered my question. I didn't ask if i did the job the way YOU would do it. Read the post and then talk to me
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Florida,NY,Mid atlantic,GA,Colorado .... I guess we do business different here in Jersey
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Like i said people are so scared of someone taking away their work. I see it all the time
That must be why no one answered your question...they're all scared. By nature, contractors are a bunch of scaredy cats that don't take chances.
Or maybe everyone REALLY wants to help you succeed over the LONG RUN and are prodding you to do the footwork yourself. After all, your LONG TERM success is what'll most help you and the misses and Mantus, Jr. - not charging one price or another on the next job. Get your head in the business side and do the math. After that, pitch yourself and the prices YOU'VE determined. It's a good thing.
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