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Old 01-17-2018, 02:59 PM   #1
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I am planning my kitchen renovation and wanted to get some input from guys whoíve done it.

The kitchen sits in an open room along with a living room and dining room. Iíd like to change the layout to create more usable space outside the kitchen. (Below see existing layout and new layout). The new layout I came up with makes more use of the wall opposite the windows (lots of dead space there now). It also gives me 3 feet more for a dining table.

I am going to replace the tiled kitchen with the same wood thatís in the rest of the living space. 4Ē red oak (I think) stained Jacobean brown. I think a continuous floor medium gives the room a larger look.

I am still playing with the idea of swapping the cooktop location (currently drawn on the island in both the existing and new layouts) with the kitchen sink. I know this will involve some tricky kitchen island plumbing and rerouting of the gas and copper lines.

What are the pros & cons of having the cooktop on the island vs. on the wall?

Some I can think of:
* No drop down recirculating exhaust hood. The exhaust hood would be under a cabinet. Unfortunately I am forced to use a ductless recirculating exhaust in either scenario - there is no flume system that can carry cooking exhaust in my building.
* People donít see your dirty cooktop. They see my dirty dishes.

Any thoughts or input would be appreciated!!!

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What is more important to you... More Kitchen/storage or more space? The answer to that will define design going forward...

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Move the island towards the 9' number in the second drawing, align it with the end cabinet, create an L of cabinets on the wall to the left of the island, end them with the dining room side of the island.

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KAP, yeah I didnít really think about the storage. Duh.

Tom, youíre suggesting a U-shaped kitchen? I liked the idea of being able to enter on both sides. I agree I should extend the island to the 9í. I might even make that whole back wall longer. Its really dead space.

Iíll play around with some new layouts.

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KAP, yeah I didnít really think about the storage. Duh.

Tom, youíre suggesting a U-shaped kitchen? I liked the idea of being able to enter on both sides. I agree I should extend the island to the 9í. I might even make that whole back wall longer. Its really dead space.

Iíll play around with some new layouts.

Thanks for the input.




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I don't think he's suggesting a U shape, you would have space to walk between the cabinets and the islands of you pushed the island over 3' or so.

I would go with the L layout and island myself. No one ever complains about more counter space and storage

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You could also then leave the sink and cooktop against the walls and put a small prep sink in the island if you wanted to

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You can ado doing something like this also it will give you a nice workable kitchen with plenty of room for everything else.
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KAP, yeah I didn’t really think about the storage. Duh.

Tom, you’re suggesting a U-shaped kitchen? I liked the idea of being able to enter on both sides. I agree I should extend the island to the 9’. I might even make that whole back wall longer. Its really dead space.

I’ll play around with some new layouts.

Thanks for the input.
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So the answer to more Kitchen/storage or more space is?...
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So the answer to more Kitchen/storage or more space is?...


Yup Iím gonna need more storage than what I initially drew.


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You can ado doing something like this also it will give you a nice workable kitchen with plenty of room for everything else.
I'd reverse the island seating so you can view the living/dining room.

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I'd reverse the island seating so you can view the living/dining room.
I wouldn't; that would encroach heavily on the work triangle. And unless you're in the habit of hosting large gatherings, you'd seldom have both areas occupied at the same time.
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for me, too often designs look great on paper..then ya go at it and it looks like chit.

I like to mock things up, either by taping off the floors as to where things will be... and most often I go even futher and build mock up cabinets, etc out of scrap wood and position them into place, or move them around as need be. It gives me and the HO a much clearer picture of what it's going to feel like.... and look like.
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You can ado doing something like this also it will give you a nice workable kitchen with plenty of room for everything else.
Exactly what I was thinking. The only thing I'd play around with is rotating the island 90 to parallel the sink wall, then you could overhang the top for an additional seat at the end. Maybe even sneak a bookcase on the end by the oven for cookbook storage

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You can ado doing something like this also it will give you a nice workable kitchen with plenty of room for everything else.

Greg did you do that mock-up in autocad? The designer i spoke to used autocad to create the layouts I originally posted.

Iím playing around with 2020 design (trial version). Insane what software can do now.


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I wouldn't; that would encroach heavily on the work triangle. And unless you're in the habit of hosting large gatherings, you'd seldom have both areas occupied at the same time.

Most people watch TV now while eating, reversing the island allows line of sight to the living/family room.

Never got the concept of the work triangle. When I cook or bake all of the ingredients are laid out and pre measured prior. No need to walk from spot to spot when prepping a meal.

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Most people watch TV now while eating, reversing the island allows line of sight to the living/family room.

Never got the concept of the work triangle. When I cook or bake all of the ingredients are laid out and pre measured prior. No need to walk from spot to spot when prepping a meal.

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You may have a point about TV. In our house and our kids' houses, it's off during dinner.

My wife gets everything out, does her creative explosion, and collapses in exhaustion while the cooking takes place--with stuff sitting all over the counters and sink.

I clean as I prep, so when the cooking starts there's practically nothing left to clean or put away. Different strokes.
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If you want to turn the island around and face the kitchen window, you can do that also.
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You may have a point about TV. In our house and our kids' houses, it's off during dinner.

My wife gets everything out, does her creative explosion, and collapses in exhaustion while the cooking takes place--with stuff sitting all over the counters and sink.

I clean as I prep, so when the cooking starts there's practically nothing left to clean or put away. Different strokes.
We don't do the TV thing, I know most people do including our adult children. Sign of the times.

I do not allow my wife in the kitchen when any serious prep and cooking is happening, a skill she never acquired is food prep.

I cook the way you do, keep up with it and life if good.

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Greg did you do that mock-up in autocad? The designer i spoke to used autocad to create the layouts I originally posted.

Iím playing around with 2020 design (trial version). Insane what software can do now.


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I'm not sure what software he used, but I recommend the Home Designer Series By Chief Architect. There is a link in my signature that you should check out.
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We haven't had the TV on during a meal since probably the first year of marriage (6 years ago) We eat as a family around the table and I can't see that changing.

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