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Old 05-03-2010, 10:38 PM   #121
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Right need some advice on how you guys deal with dust and plastic. I have been doing my own home for a while and had plastic sheating over the walls and floor to protect them. I thought i would try to tidy up to RRP rule regs and was coming across some problems. I tried to vacuum the dust on the floor but kept sucking up the plastic and not the dust, I tried to use a dust pan and brush but loads of dust was still clinging to the plastic. I then rolled up the plastic sheating and dust was coming out of it like it was a dust machine What do you guys do when you pull down all the plastic and how do you pull it down without the dust that is all over it going everywhere?? The only way i think would have worked would have been to wipe down every sheat of plastic before i pull it down!! Which would have taken ages.


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Old 05-12-2010, 07:18 PM   #122
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Re: Dust-Free Remodeling


I agree with Tin Cup.

In addition to:

1) Zip poles and 6 ml plastic, plus zipper
2) Hepa vacuum
3) air scrubber with inside or outside filtering of air
4) clean as you go
5) sometimes Tyvek suits with elastic bands and hoods, plus rubber respirators (1/2 mask or full mask) and cartridge filters

remove all contents from shelvings by boxing and labeling and covering all other contents (furniture, wall pics, etc) with 4 or 6 ml plastic.......leave a lot of overhang so that dust does not float under the plastic.

....avoid the unnecessary cleaning of contents, which I have seen costs in the thousands.
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This is the bees knees in smaller work areas. I know this doesn't meet lead requirements, but works well where this does not apply.



Here is the hose for it.



I use this all the time. Works great on fine and not so fine dust. I purchased to use when I resurface bathtubs and tile.
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Its all about the prep. The more time you take in prepping a job, the less time it will take to clean up.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:48 PM   #125
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You'll never control all the dust but securing plastic to both sides of the doorways works well. Tape plastic along the top of each side and then tape one side jamb on one side of the door and opposite side jamb on the other side. Also, SHERWINN WILLIAMS sells "Sticky Pads" 24" x36" in packs of 50 that you step on when leaving the jobsite area. It takes all the dust and dirt off the bottom of your shoes.
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:44 PM   #126
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I just got 2 sets of the Fast Cap 3rd hand sets. cheaper than zip wall, goes up 12', and holds weight. I can use them for more than just holding up plastic

I have been holding off but really need them. I think they are single best investment to make for any renovation work, lead or not. I have to see about an air scrubber next. just not in the budget. I plan on taping the entire perimeter of the plastic once the walls are up.

I have a job coming up where we have to separate a banquet hall at a firehouse to the rest of the area where we are working.

needs to be 50' long and 12' high. that is why I bought two sets.
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Old 11-11-2010, 08:55 PM   #127
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Why won't the Dri Eaz 500 that was shown several pages back work. 500 cfm in a small lead renovation type setting would work awesome. I know it might not be great for a huge room, or a whole house but for single room renovations/guts. this seems like it's a great solution.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:41 AM   #128
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If anyone's interested, I found this cheap Zipwall alternative the other day

http://www.harborfreight.com/2-in-1-...bar-66172.html

Beware, the reviews warn you to treat them gently as they are prone to breaking if you try to torque on the handle. For the money, if you baby them a bit, it looks like they'd be a nice deal. I've also read reviews from guys using them to hang upper cabinets, ceiling drywall and other heavy stuff without issue. Even the people that had them break seemed pretty chill about just ordering some new ones since they weren't expensive to begin with.

Side note: Apparently they go on sale for $10 a piece sometimes.
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I just picked up a few from Home Chepo, only available online, there 8’6” verse the normal 12’ ones.


There cheaper than the 12’ but not as cheap as the one you posted
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I believe you can buy EMT connectors to the FAST cap poles to make them taller. I just tried using mine on a 12' dropped ceiling, when fully extended that metal rod that extends is thinner and doesn't seem like it would bend, just not as sturdy as I wanted. I'm sure the zipwalls are even worse.

I plan on making 4' or 8' extensions out of EMT to fasten on the bottom for taller ceilings.

my next purchase is a negative air scrubber. I am not sure which one to buy the drieaz one is small and would be great for interior work in normal bedrooms, but for larger spaces, there are larger ones for not much more money. I'm afraid if I buy the 2000 CFM one that it'll be too large to take for interior work.
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Air filtration Units also known as (AFD's or air scrubbers) HEPA filtered Vaccums. Poly sheeting duct tape are the best ways to do it but are also costly to buy at first but the AFD's And Vaccums can also be rented in some areas. Zip walls are also a great tools as are the sticky pads that you peel off the top layer after it becomes soiled.

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I believe you can buy EMT connectors to the FAST cap poles to make them taller. I just tried using mine on a 12' dropped ceiling, when fully extended that metal rod that extends is thinner and doesn't seem like it would bend, just not as sturdy as I wanted. I'm sure the zipwalls are even worse.

I plan on making 4' or 8' extensions out of EMT to fasten on the bottom for taller ceilings.

my next purchase is a negative air scrubber. I am not sure which one to buy the drieaz one is small and would be great for interior work in normal bedrooms, but for larger spaces, there are larger ones for not much more money. I'm afraid if I buy the 2000 CFM one that it'll be too large to take for interior work.
For tall ceilings I've just tacked together 2X's or something and made a impromptu knee wall.

I think the neg. air is the key in containment. I have my homemade units, one for the small job, one for a whole basement or whatever. Once you get one you will probably start using it for much more. Your customers will love you for sucking out the fumes from painting or glue or whatever.
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There is a Company That build Air scrubbers in MI. (Areospace America) I have some units that are ten years old, they have several sizes.

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This is something I always try to get across to my clients. I think it is really good topic to blog about. if you do that sort of thing.

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I usually tape a cheap furnace filter or two onto a box fan. (Rip the front one off when it gets too bad.) If the dust is just from sanding drywall, or you know there's no hazard, I'll bang them outside to clean off the filter. Not a HEPA solution, or for hazardous situations, you need real filters for that (and I don't work in those sorts of situations), but for every day stuff, it works pretty well. Fairly cheap.

I keep meaning to build a box to extend the fan housing that I can slip filters into so I don't have to re-tape them on.
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This is the bees knees in smaller work areas. I know this doesn't meet lead requirements, but works well where this does not apply.



Here is the hose for it.



I use this all the time. Works great on fine and not so fine dust. I purchased to use when I resurface bathtubs and tile.


You can purchase dust socks for them fan units. I used to use them in the UK and they worked really well. Not many places over here sell them but they can be found and you may even be able to find a 2 micron sock. I have even seen people use dust extractor socks fitted to fans that worked pretty well.
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I just purchased a used version of that fan - a little more industrial, and works great. 12" hose pulls ~ 3200 CFM. I had to grind off thinset in a bathroom and put up a peice of plastic on the door. It was dust-hell. The bathroom was empty of dust in 15 seconds after I stopped grinding off the thinset
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I use it all the time. Make sure there is a way for air to get in to the bathroom. If it is sealed up too tight, it takes longer to get rid of the nonsense. Generally in a bathroom situation I'll leave the old door on and if they will get a new one eventually, I'll cut an inch off of the bottom. There are two sizes and the smaller 8" works well for small areas.

Drywall dust in a bathroom for example. Most of it goes out the window before it hits the floor. I'm also all about fabric painter dropclothes. Really nice to be able to fold it up and toss it out the window without having to track it through the house. I can often vacuum up the remainder of the mess without even clogging my vacs filter.
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Just a simple but useful tip my drywaller showed me they use on large hotel jobs...

instead of fighting the ultrathin sheet plastic dropcloths for containment or large scale masking (windows and doors) use your masking gun for painting to perimiter the area to be sealer off, the spray the paper with spray adhesive, then adhere the plastic sheet to the paper. Easy clean up!

Made dumb mistake of spraying wall then adhering plastic... oops couldnt get that plastic off!
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