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Old 09-26-2017, 02:28 AM   #21
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Re: Cabinet Linear Foot Pricing


One issue about lineal foot pricing I have seen create an issue is corner cabinets. (Lazy susans)
Do you measure along the front of the cabinet or along the back?
For a 36 inch unit, there are 2 ft of front measurement and 6 ft of back measurement.

Consider the possibilities, and as per above, make certain you are comparing apples to apples.
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Old 09-26-2017, 04:31 AM   #22
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One issue about lineal foot pricing I have seen create an issue is corner cabinets. (Lazy susans)
Do you measure along the front of the cabinet or along the back?
For a 36 inch unit, there are 2 ft of front measurement and 6 ft of back measurement.

Consider the possibilities, and as per above, make certain you are comparing apples to apples.
I think they add it in both directions. So a 36" LS would actually be 6 LF. That's how the big blue, green and orange do it.

In reality it's 4 LF.
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That's how I charge it out, as 4'. And an upper is somewhat less than 3'
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One issue about lineal foot pricing I have seen create an issue is corner cabinets. (Lazy susans)
Do you measure along the front of the cabinet or along the back?
For a 36 inch unit, there are 2 ft of front measurement and 6 ft of back measurement.

Consider the possibilities, and as per above, make certain you are comparing apples to apples.
When measuring the LF, you are measuring the largest area that comes in contact with the walls real estate, the same way a countertop does, which is the back... so corner cabs necessarily wrap around... accounts better for all the materials... measuring the front leaves you with deficits in materials costs if you price things using LF and would actually screw up the calculus...
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I thought those LF prices were mostly a base price, which covered door style, box construction, wood type. Basic stuff for comparison, before getting into any add-on's.

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If he is asking for a whole house remodel / Flip, then they probably will be "lower" end cabinets that are not custom. If you know your vendor get a price sheet and price it out. He likely has a contractor who does a lot of flips bidding who knows what his cabinet vendor costs are.
First time flipper. They haven't a clue as to what they are doing. We just wrapped up the project yesterday and they didn't go with my cabinets and certainly got what they paid for.
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Although you didn't mention it directly, I'm sure you knew soon enough they were looking for the cheapest/biggest bang for the flipping buck.

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Although you didn't mention it directly, I'm sure you knew soon enough they were looking for the cheapest/biggest bang for the flipping buck.
It's my first flip as the others were too dang cheap for me. I wouldn't have gone nuts working for any of the previous flippers. This couple knew a thing or two and really wanted something that they could rent for a few years and then sell. So they wanted something stock to be easily replaced if the renters damaged it. I knew when they were being installed for $1300 I wouldn't be able to compete with that pricing.

The countertop fabricator came in and asked a bunch of questions of my carpenter. He shrugged his shoulders and said
You'll have to ask the installers". One of the cabinets wasn't secured but with one screw and the space for the stove was less than 30".

Funny story....when Lowes came in to measure, he started asking about the outlets and why there wasn't one right next to the stove. I said because one isn't needed and would look stupid. He began to explain how it was code. I explained he needed mind his own business and that there was a reason he was installing cabinets for Lowes and not working a whole house flip.
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I thought those LF prices were mostly a base price, which covered door style, box construction, wood type. Basic stuff for comparison, before getting into any add-on's.
It is... but when the corner cab is 3' x 3', how are you going to come up with even a base figure for the box alone, based on the front of the cabinet which is 1' x 1' that doesn't screw your numbers up?... missing a lot of material doing it that way when fabricating cabinets...

That LF calculation (using the front) only works when you're replacing the fronts, like when you are refinishing, painting or refacing...

It's also why it's important to ask what the customers understanding of what LF means because it's used in a variety of ways in the industry for different products and services and they may mis-apply it towards what you're offering and it could come up costing you a sale...
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I have installed hundreds of kitchens as part of our Entire Home Remodeling Packages. Never have customers asked about a lineal footage price. I provide only a full kitchen allowance.
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I bid out a full home remodel and the day after I submitted the proposal he requested a linear foot pricing. Is that common?

I don't know how others may do this, but when I do a new home take off, I do an "allowance" for cabinets, based on linear feet. In Oklahoma, a basic price will run $225 a foot, and this includes: kitchens, uppers and lowers, island, baths, laundry, and buffets....

This is a budget item, and also...if the client is a higher end, then you move the number up...to $350. Or whatever you think it will go.

This is my way of doing preliminary estimating. If you sell the job, and you are not playing with numbers to get the job, then you actually send plans to a cabinet shop that will meet with the clients and nail down the selections and price.

There is not a more efficient way to do this in the estimating game I have found. In spec homes, the price is $200 a foot.
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I don't know how others may do this, but when I do a new home take off, I do an "allowance" for cabinets, based on linear feet. In Oklahoma, a basic price will run $225 a foot, and this includes: kitchens, uppers and lowers, island, baths, laundry, and buffets....

This is a budget item, and also...if the client is a higher end, then you move the number up...to $350. Or whatever you think it will go.

This is my way of doing preliminary estimating. If you sell the job, and you are not playing with numbers to get the job, then you actually send plans to a cabinet shop that will meet with the clients and nail down the selections and price.

There is not a more efficient way to do this in the estimating game I have found. In spec homes, the price is $200 a foot.
We are strictly remodeling, but I could see how that could be adapted for my situation. Just curious as I have never been asked to break it down in LF pricing.
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Simple: Use a scale to measure every cabinet by length on the plan X $225 or $350 or whatever value you need to determine the allowance.

I always tell my clients I have no way to judge or guess what they may want with cabinets, and therefore, all I can do is budget a number and tell them what that represents. Lowes is the bottom end for budgets, right along with unfinished cabinets...to the top custom builders in our area at $750 a foot or more....and in my model, which is fee based construction, it works fine. I make the same money on budget cabs as I do high end customs.

I tell clients where the budget busters are....and they never happen where we have hard values, like concrete, roofs, windows, etc.,.....it is always with finish items, and the number 1 budget buster is cabinets and counter tops.

I did a 1 mil. build that had over 170k in cabinets.
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...that had over 170k in cabinets.
When I see stuff like that, I realize I must live in an entirely different world.

Even if I had the money for that, I couldn't bring myself to spend that on what is essentially somewhere put my oatmeal.



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I agree....stupid money.

We build 4000 sq/ft homes without regard to anything...and yet I would be fine living in 1200 feet. No reason to have more, but that is what makes our country great....choices.

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