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I bid out a full home remodel and the day after I submitted the proposal he requested a linear foot pricing. Is that common?
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Tell him to do the math him self. He knows how many linear feet he has.

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Yes. Although it is not a reliable indicator of what one wants as opposed to what one gets.

If he wants lineal foot pricing for what you called out he is comparing bids or shopping.
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Hell, if people figured out the lf price for my vanities they'd have a myocardial infarction.

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Think about it. 36" cabinet with 2 doors and a faux drawer vs 36" cabinet with 6 drawers.

Which do you think will be more expensive? How can you compare them by lineal foot costs over a build?

The most you can supply him with is a lineal foot cost on that job only. Just add up the lineal ft and divide it into the total price of the job.

And yes, when they're shopping you they ask that.
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Hell, if people figured out the lf price for my vanities they'd have a myocardial infarction.

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I average about $450 LF
We're in the same price range.

Next weeks endeavor. With all the drawers, glass, mirror, roll outs, about $690.00 a foot.

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I never do LF pricing. I do width and component pricing. You're going to pay for that 3rd drawer.

Labor to make the drawer and finish it.
Labor to install the drawer.
Labor to make the drawer front and finish it
Labor to install the drawer front.
Cost of the wood, cost of the finish and cost of the hardware.
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I've seen LF pricing in cabinet showrooms, I guess it must be a guideline. Obviously there's a good 2x range depending on options.
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I bid out a full home remodel and the day after I submitted the proposal he requested a linear foot pricing. Is that common?
LF pricing is based on the base specs of the cab style/finish... adding drawers, components, moldings, etc. are added on/extra... typically seen by the average customer in most Big Box or stand alone stores or their advertisements...

And yes, if they're asking you for that, they are looking at something else, which is why they knew to ask you for LF pricing to compare...

It's just another unit of measurement which collapses common specs (you could also use SF or CB if you want to throw him a curve ball )... kinda' like a new home build spec is advertised at $1XX.00 / SF... that's if you use the base specs/materials associated with that build and don't change anything... changes/add-ons/upgrades are extra...

You have to be careful how some actually use the term LF as well...


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Re: Cabinet Linear Foot Pricing


I cant seem to come up with a reliable linear foot package on installing if thats what we are talking about.

I price based on the whats being done in the kitchen. So is it a 3 day install, a one week kitchen a 7 day kitchen...etc...

So many things would need to be added to the base install cost that its not worth it....panels, light baffle, layers of fascia, crown, corbels, toe kicks, toe kick cut outs, are they boxes or face frame? How much hardware?
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I never do LF pricing. I do width and component pricing. You're going to pay for that 3rd drawer.

Labor to make the drawer and finish it.
Labor to install the drawer.
Labor to make the drawer front and finish it
Labor to install the drawer front.
Cost of the wood, cost of the finish and cost of the hardware.
Same way I do it. Draw it, put cost to the pieces, add build/finish labor, add day(s) necessary to install.

Once the cost has been calculated, pretty easy to convert to LF price.

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Tell him to do the math him self. He knows how many linear feet he has.

Is this really tnt?

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Yeah, that's how I love to treat a prospective $75,000 job. Do the math yourself. That is a great sales tactic.

And I am not sure how it sounded like a noob question, just one that I have never run into. I don't do many whole house remodels, mostly mid-high end Kitchens, Bathrooms and Basements.
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Yes. Although it is not a reliable indicator of what one wants as opposed to what one gets.

If he wants lineal foot pricing for what you called out he is comparing bids or shopping.
He is comparing bids. He told me as much when he asked. He said the other contractors listed linear foot pricing. Just thought it was a strange way to price them.
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LF pricing is based on the base specs of the cab style/finish... adding drawers, components, moldings, etc. are added on/extra... typically seen by the average customer in most Big Box or stand alone stores or their advertisements...

And yes, if they're asking you for that, they are looking at something else, which is why they knew to ask you for LF pricing to compare...

It's just another unit of measurement which collapses common specs (you could also use SF or CB if you want to throw him a curve ball )... kinda' like a new home build spec is advertised at $1XX.00 / SF... that's if you use the base specs/materials associated with that build and don't change anything... changes/add-ons/upgrades are extra...

You have to be careful how some actually use the term LF as well...

I just took the total cabinet price (not including installation) and divided by the total linear footage.
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Rob, LF pricing can be used as a gauge/allowance type number if you specify what type/quality cabinet you are allowing for.

This way an owner can compare cabs at a custom shop or box store.

If you go this route be very specific what you number includes.

Very good idea to add that it does NOT include tops.....

In my custom home days it was very common to include a LF price so clients would have something to compare to.
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Rob, LF pricing can be used as a gauge/allowance type number if you specify what type/quality cabinet you are allowing for.

This way an owner can compare cabs at a custom shop or box store.

If you go this route be very specific what you number includes.

Very good idea to add that it does NOT include tops.....

In my custom home days it was very common to include a LF price so clients would have something to compare to.
The estimate had tops and other items listed separately. I explained that I simply divided the cabinet price by the linear footage.
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The estimate had tops and other items listed separately. I explained that I simply divided the cabinet price by the linear footage.
Just be sure that the other guy did the same so it's in context... two ways it could alter the perception if he didn't...
1. He gave a lineal foot price for the base/standard cab but did not include the extra's (i.e. - more drawers, susans, cutlery dividers, garbage/recycle, moldings, pull-outs, etc.).

2. He measured the top and bottom separately and then divided by 12 so there's more feet to the lineal so it makes the lineal foot price seem lower... it's an on-going debate, because some say if you don't do it that way, then you pay for breaks in the cabinet line (i.e. - appliances, shorter cabs, windows) and lose money on others (i.e. - corner cabs, pantries)...
Seen many variations over the years, so when a customer mentions lineal foot, we delve a little deeper into what they think that means as it's been explained to them by someone else...
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He is comparing bids. He told me as much when he asked. He said the other contractors listed linear foot pricing. Just thought it was a strange way to price them.
A LF price is a sales tactic to lure the client in with low cost. Home Depot and Lowe's advertise this way. There is no possible way to quote cabinets without all the details of each cabinet, i.e; wood species, finish, door style, frame style, moldings and accessories. Add-on's can double the cost of the boxes.

When you divide the cabinet cost as you said you did into the LF, you are still not comparing apples to apples. Compare products, not LF for the sale. Hope this helps.
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If he is asking for a whole house remodel / Flip, then they probably will be "lower" end cabinets that are not custom. If you know your vendor get a price sheet and price it out. He likely has a contractor who does a lot of flips bidding who knows what his cabinet vendor costs are.

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