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09-28-2009, 06:46 PM
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Average time for kitchen remodels?
I just had a guy work on a kitchen remodel for a relative and the hours were beyond belief. Not to mention I did some of the work and helped him when he needed a second man, did plumbing, etc.
I know its a broad thing to post but I can provide a picture then to give you all better ideas of what he did and give a few measurements.
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09-28-2009, 06:50 PM
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Illusion of Perfection
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3 weeks to a year, give or take.
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09-28-2009, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CookeCarpentry
3 weeks to a year, give or take.
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Why stop at a year, my wife has had me remodeling the kitchen for the last 10 years! 
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09-28-2009, 06:56 PM
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Internet Creep
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Not sure of your question. I've completed some in 10 days, others 6 weeks. Each one is unique and the materials chosen can alter time quite a bit.
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09-28-2009, 07:01 PM
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I did one once in 3 days - I have had some take up to 4 months, it all depends on the scope, lead time for materials, etc... (generally anywhere from 1 week to a month)
The biggest issues most people have is that it is completely unlike new construction, they have no idea how to handle all the oddball factors that apply to remodeling & spend most of the time scratching there head
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09-28-2009, 07:04 PM
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Impossible to answer,
Too many variables,uneven walls,floors,rewiring,what was removed,replaced,how many boxes,store bought or custom made.......................................
Did the guy have references?
Have you seen any of his previous work?
Is he there all day every day?
Was he watching the soaps,game shows during his time charged?
Does he work alone most of the time.............................................. .......?
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09-28-2009, 07:04 PM
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Illusion of Perfection
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There are countless variables involved. Same cabinet layout, plumbing relocated, new electric, removal or addition of walls, closets, etc.
Is there an addition involved in this kitchen remodel?
How long did it take from design(s) to contract to start of job to completion? Sometimes the homeowner changes their mind 1,000 times causing all kinds of delays.
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09-28-2009, 07:42 PM
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Were these custom made cabinets, or pre-fabs? It took me 3 months last summer to do 40' of lineal, I also did tile, painting, new beam overhead, staining of doors and cabinets, etc. I only worked 7 hrs a day because the homeowner didn't leave until late and came back early. He was a rather intimidating (blowhard) figure, but he absolutely loved the kitchen, and he brags me up every chance he gets.
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09-28-2009, 08:07 PM
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jeremy did he give you any indication how long it would take before he began? Did you ask? Was he recommended to you? Did you find him on craigslist? What did you pay him per hour? Did he do a good job?
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09-28-2009, 08:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by abacab
Were these custom made cabinets, or pre-fabs? It took me 3 months last summer to do 40' of lineal, I also did tile, painting, new beam overhead, staining of doors and cabinets, etc. I only worked 7 hrs a day because the homeowner didn't leave until late and came back early. He was a rather intimidating (blowhard) figure, but he absolutely loved the kitchen, and he brags me up every chance he gets.
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OK I don't have the prints scanned yet but heres the jist.
Kitchen is about 20' X 20' square (if that). Cabinets all around minus five doorways and a spiral staircase. Moved one doorway from center to corner going into the laundry room. Tiled over old linoleum with cement board and ceramic tile. New island, replace a dozen or so outlets, move stove wire a few feet, rerun a new cook top wire (ran the wrong guage wire too) strip one wall of wallpaper, prep rest of walls and paint, patch holes/spackle, crown molding on top cabinets, temp an island counter top with plywood and a utility sink, he removed old cabinets except for larger ones which I helped with. Granite was done by granite guys, cabinets were prefabbed by Armstrong, All he did was the installation.
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09-28-2009, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mics_54
jeremy did he give you any indication how long it would take before he began? Did you ask? Was he recommended to you? Did you find him on craigslist? What did you pay him per hour? Did he do a good job?
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He offered to either work by the hour or quote the job. being that I was going to help whenever possible to save my aunt money we decided hourly would be fair to everyone. I bowl with the guy and from the talk I was fooled that he was actually descent and knew his ****. Keep in mind I have done my fair share of remodel work and my father is a general contractor as well so I know enough. His hourly rate he asked for matches his union cash wage ( keep in mind he is collecting unemployment as well )
As far as some of the work I am not impressed for what he charges and acts like he knows. Uneven floor tile, substandard drywall work, crooked microwave install. anyway....
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09-28-2009, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jeremy-lvhm
As far as some of the work I am not impressed for what he charges and acts like he knows. Uneven floor tile, substandard drywall work, crooked microwave install. anyway....
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Anyways..........
without insurance,the proper license, UNION WORKER...............
I can tell you this,he's probably overcharging you,but do you even have a contract?
Kind of water under the bridge now,so.....................
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09-28-2009, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jeremy-lvhm
Tiled over old linoleum with cement board and ceramic tile.
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That's all I needed to see..... 
cough, cough cough, hack, cough....
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09-28-2009, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeremy-lvhm
As far as some of the work I am not impressed for what he charges and acts like he knows. Uneven floor tile, substandard drywall work, crooked microwave install. anyway....
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Sounds like your aunt got a raw deal. Hate to see that but you really got to be careful when getting a "side job".
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09-28-2009, 08:32 PM
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OK the three words that told the whole story Unemployed, union, hourly.
What did you expect
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09-28-2009, 08:48 PM
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You still didn't tell us how long it took him, and union wage, what's that? $12 an hour? 
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09-28-2009, 08:50 PM
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So..you have done your fair share of remodeling work and your dad is a general contractor and you hired a HACK rather than a legitimate kitchen remodeler that by the way are needing the work these days... jeremy..dude...did you just come here to get spanked because you know you deserve it?
Jeremy..what would you do differently next time?
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09-28-2009, 08:55 PM
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His hourly rate he asked for matches his union cash wage
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What union?
WTF is a "union cash wage"?
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09-28-2009, 08:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy-lvhm
I just had a guy work on a kitchen remodel for a relative and the hours were beyond belief. Not to mention I did some of the work and helped him when he needed a second man, did plumbing, etc.
I know its a broad thing to post but I can provide a picture then to give you all better ideas of what he did and give a few measurements.
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There are waay to many things wrong with this to know even where to start. Sounds like a clusterf**k. Nobody had a clue.
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09-28-2009, 09:49 PM
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