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Old 12-30-2017, 02:44 PM   #141
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The biggest issue with MJ use is that it's fat soluable. It stays in your urine and blood for 2-4 weeks. Therefore if you smoke a joint and 2 days pass you still fail a UA or blood test for THC. No other drugs do that...meth, heroin, coke, pharma dope, etc, they all metabolize out of your system in hours to a few days.

So a guy who uses MJ on her personal time may not be "under the influence" of it at all but he is still held accountable as if he is. A typical MJ high lasts 2-3 hours, tops. But yet it can linger in your body for a month. And people get punished for this. That's my main b itch.

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Old 12-30-2017, 02:46 PM   #142
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haha,,just wanted to ressurect this thread.



I smoke a little MJ (technically MMJ in my state) and recommended by my MD) for pain relief (bone on bone knees) and a sound nights sleep. I don't do..or like any pharma drugs.



I'm still amazed how many people accept and embrace booze and pharma pills yet freak out when a guy or guy chooses a few tokes on their own personal time.


Not gonna get an argument out of me with this issue.


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The biggest issue with MJ use is that it's fat soluable. It stays in your urine and blood for 2-4 weeks. Therefore if you smoke a joint and 2 days pass you still fail a UA or blood test for THC. No other drugs do that...meth, heroin, coke, pharma dope, etc, they all metabolize out of your system in hours to a few days.

So a guy who uses MJ on her personal time may not be "under the influence" of it at all but he is still held accountable as if he is. A typical MJ high lasts 2-3 hours, tops. But yet it can linger in your body for a month. And people get punished for this. That's my main b itch.
Until they come up with a test that distinguishes between the two, the exposure remains for an employer...

I don't personally care what you take for pain, pleasure, etc... only if your personal use goes beyond you personally and extends to another... an employer should have just as much right to protect themselves from liability from your personal choices where they have no control on how you exercise it or when...

No more difficult than that...
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I understand what you're saying KAP.

IMO, an employer should be in charge of his own ship. Yet all these insurance companies force employers to follow THEIR rules, or else. I feel the same way about smoking laws. I don't like cig smoke, the stuff grosses me out. But I do think that a restaurant or bar owner should be able to choose whether or not he allows it in his place of business. If I know Joes Burger-joint allows smoking there, I won't go there, and smokers will flock there. I'll visit rerestaurants where smoking is not allowed, it's that simple.

I am not a fan of government running peoples lives. Too many bad rules and regs these days. granted some are needed but most are way over the top these days. I do know that in Cali, if a person has a MMJ license he can still stay employed and not be fired for it (correct me if I'm wrong). Here in CO, if a guy has an MMJ license and tests positive, he's fired. In CO the same goes for pre-screening for a job, test positive for MJ and you're toast. At least Cali somehow had some balls and put some support in for MMJ users in their state. Which BTW you need a MD's recommendation/script to acquire such a license. So now we have government telling doctors how to practice. Not to mention the insurance companies telling them how to do their job as well.One big-a ss slippery slope if ya ask me. Where's it gonna end?

I just don't think it's right that a guy using MJ at night ONLY can lose his job, lose WC bennies and be possibly blamed for vehicular manslaughter just because of inaccurate forms of testing. And sadly, this bogus form of tests are strongly supported by a majority of civilians and by people in authoritative positions.

Yeah I'll admit there are 24/7 MJ smokers but there's also a large percentage of occasional users as well. And then there are the people using MMJ as medication for serious illnesss and diseases (seizures, cancer, IBS, etc) which has proven peer review medical studies to back their claims. i.e Rick Simpson Oil, CBD, etc

But you just can't bunch everyone into one group and label them druggies. Or can you? I hope some day we'll get by all this "reefer madness" mentality. Personally, I see more and more folks veering away from the dangerous pharma drugs and looking for more safer and effective options.

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Not long ago, I read a few things about the elimination of people in the work force due to MJ testing. Some companies decided to opt out(or look the other way) as they were passing up good potential employees. I live close to a bunch of casinos and at one time they all tested for MJ. Out of the blue many of them dropped employment testing for it. Yes, they still test for it should you have a injury at work but they stopped doing it for a pre screen process. Just my guess: they couldn't get workers to fill positions.

If everyone started smoking the ganja who would these companies hire?
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I don't like cig smoke, the stuff grosses me out. But I do think that a restaurant or bar owner should be able to choose whether or not he allows it in his place of business..
I go to a Irish bar that allows smoking, it's against state law and they have a sign as you walk in the door and tell you the state law as they hand you a ashtray I think in the last 7 years the cops have given out 3 smoking tickets. It's just not done unless someone complains. Oh the bar also sells cigars and hands you a cutter and ashtray with it
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The biggest issue with MJ use is that it's fat soluable. It stays in your urine and blood for 2-4 weeks. Therefore if you smoke a joint and 2 days pass you still fail a UA or blood test for THC. No other drugs do that...meth, heroin, coke, pharma dope, etc, they all metabolize out of your system in hours to a few days.

So a guy who uses MJ on her personal time may not be "under the influence" of it at all but he is still held accountable as if he is. A typical MJ high lasts 2-3 hours, tops. But yet it can linger in your body for a month. And people get punished for this. That's my main b itch.
Not really. What it does to you or doesn't do to you really is irrelevant to you being a liabilty if you get in a wreck in a company vehicle with THC in your blood. If I'm going to get sued for the wreck, I certainly don't want to have to defend your blood levels as well. It's an added risk I can choose to do without.

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I understand what you're saying KAP.

IMO, an employer should be in charge of his own ship. Yet all these insurance companies force employers to follow THEIR rules, or else.
Because not only is there a lawyer for that, but successful prosecution/precedent... hence the subsequent rules/laws that came into existence until another rule/law does away with it indemnifying the employer for an employees personal choices off the clock... now, as it stands, the employer not only has additional costs and monitoring forced on them, they also have added liability for someone elses personal choices...


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I feel the same way about smoking laws. I don't like cig smoke, the stuff grosses me out. But I do think that a restaurant or bar owner should be able to choose whether or not he allows it in his place of business. If I know Joes Burger-joint allows smoking there, I won't go there, and smokers will flock there. I'll visit rerestaurants where smoking is not allowed, it's that simple.

I am not a fan of government running peoples lives. Too many bad rules and regs these days. granted some are needed but most are way over the top these days. I do know that in Cali, if a person has a MMJ license he can still stay employed and not be fired for it (correct me if I'm wrong). Here in CO, if a guy has an MMJ license and tests positive, he's fired. In CO the same goes for pre-screening for a job, test positive for MJ and you're toast. At least Cali somehow had some balls and put some support in for MMJ users in their state. Which BTW you need a MD's recommendation/script to acquire such a license. So now we have government telling doctors how to practice. Not to mention the insurance companies telling them how to do their job as well.One big-a ss slippery slope if ya ask me. Where's it gonna end?
I have mixed feelings on pre-screening.... there's the freedom aspect, which can't be overstated, but it is also a pre-screening tool, and as you noted, other drugs metabolize out of your system quickly, and if you are looking for a new gig and can't willingly exercise the control (or even worse, unwillingly because of addiction) to suspend use (medical MJ aside for which you can produce a doctors note) during a job search where you know it's a possibility, well...



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I just don't think it's right that a guy using MJ at night ONLY can lose his job, lose WC bennies and be possibly blamed for vehicular manslaughter just because of inaccurate forms of testing. And sadly, this bogus form of tests are strongly supported by a majority of civilians and by people in authoritative positions.

Yeah I'll admit there are 24/7 MJ smokers but there's also a large percentage of occasional users as well. And then there are the people using MMJ as medication for serious illnesss and diseases (seizures, cancer, IBS, etc) which has proven peer review medical studies to back their claims. i.e Rick Simpson Oil, CBD, etc
Unfortunately, until they can come up with a way to separate the two for MJ, if it's in the system when it happened, it's a contributing factor...


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But you just can't bunch everyone into one group and label them druggies.
I don't think anyone here has done that... but there's a lawyer for that...

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Valid points KAP, thanks for sharing your views.
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If you are in too much pain you need to smoke gaunge, you're not well enough to work for me. It's very simple. You can NEVER test positive for any substance that creates an unnecessary liabilty for my business. As I can require a driver's license I can have conditions that go with it.

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If you are in too much pain you need to smoke gaunge, you're not well enough to work for me. It's very simple. You can NEVER test positive for any substance that creates an unnecessary liabilty for my business. As I can require a driver's license I can have conditions that go with it.

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How many of your employees are allowed to work for you while under the influence of pharma drugs?

Do you let people work for you who drank booze the night before but are sober on the jobsite?

And again, using MJ ONLY AT NIGHT in no way effects a persons work performace the next day.

Maybe try doing frequent random drug tests. I'd bet it wouldnt be long before you had no workers at all. But I do understand your concerns. For many I think it's the poor methods of testing for MJ that causes the problems for employers. But the fact remains the person is totally straight yet the bogus test for MJ says otherwise. And there lies the problem.

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How many of your employees are allowed to work for you while under the influence of pharma drugs?



And again, using MJ ONLY AT NIGHT in no way effects a persons work performce the next day.


I agree with what you are saying however there currently are two results from a current drug test. You either pass or you fail for a controlled substance.

It doesn’t matter if you have a prescription for medical marijuana or not if you are required to take a drug test for any reason you’ll either pass or you will fail. It doesn’t matter if you smoked weed five days ago and the effects are long gone the contest says you will fail therefore it is considered testing positive

Unfortunately that’s the way it is and until they come up with a new method of testing that’s just the way it’s going to be.




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Guys, discussion of ways to circumvent legal drug testing is inappropriate for this forum, regardless of your personal opinion regarding such tests. Those posts have been removed.

Play nice. :schoolmarm:
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How many of your employees are allowed to work for you while under the influence of pharma drugs?

Do you let people work for you who drank booze the night before but are sober on the jobsite?

And again, using MJ ONLY AT NIGHT in no way effects a persons work performace the next day.

Maybe try doing frequent random drug tests. I'd bet it wouldnt be long before you had no workers at all. But I do understand your concerns. For many I think it's the poor methods of testing for MJ that causes the problems for employers. But the fact remains the person is totally straight yet the bogus test for MJ says otherwise. And there lies the problem.


It matters none if or how long you stay high after its use. If you get in an accident and kill a whole family in my vehicle or on my watch, they blood test you, I am absolutey certain my company will be named in the lawsuit. The defense attorney won't care if you are considered high or not. It's about the deep pockets, It's about risk. And yes that goes, for anything that poses an unnecessary risk to my business. Legal or illegal.

Even if you sneak around and smoke, when it comes time for a courtroom I can say I have a zero policy. At least it won't be gross negligence on my part.

It would be stupid of me to tell the judge I allow my workers to test positive for drugs and operate machinery.

Just like you have a right to get high, I have a right to have a zero tolerance policy.



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It's simple. LIABILITY. If the only person that was to get sued was the driver, then the driver can do whatever (s)he wants. Since we all know that it doesn't happen that way then we protect ourselves.

If you don't like it get the laws changed.

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