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Old 12-15-2017, 04:55 AM   #21
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Are those vulnerabilities being exploited?

The effort for malware is towards Windows, and as time goes on, Apple.
OSX will grow if Microsnot keeps it up. I'm sure every system has some vulnerability, some more than others obviously. But I haven't run across a problem in 6 years so far.

One of the key differences is MS decided to keep things user friendly so people can simply install whatever with no fuss. Linux doesn't allow any installs unless you give administration permission with your password.
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OSX will grow if Microsnot keeps it up. I'm sure every system has some vulnerability, some more than others obviously. But I haven't run across a problem in 6 years so far.

One of the key differences is MS decided to keep things user friendly so people can simply install whatever with no fuss. Linux doesn't allow any installs unless you give administration permission with your password.
Yeah, vulnerabilities are way down on my list of concerns. Having the OS decide it will do what it wants when it wants - leaving me unable to do the task at hand is way UP on my list.
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Yeah, vulnerabilities are way down on my list of concerns. Having the OS decide it will do what it wants when it wants - leaving me unable to do the task at hand is way UP on my list.
I had the same issue with mine last year right in the middle of a big estimate I had to give out. Had updates turned off, but it still tried to update and could not complete update. I now had a very large paper weight.

I went to the other team and did not look back, so far so good

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ALL OS's have vulnerabilities. The reason windows is attacked more is there are more windows machines. the MAC has the same issues, but hackers don't care much to go after them because of the lack of machines to attack compared to windows machines.
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ALL OS's have vulnerabilities. The reason windows is attacked more is there are more windows machines. the MAC has the same issues, but hackers don't care much to go after them because of the lack of machines to attack compared to windows machines.
Yes they all do, my issue was when MS did the updates even though I chose not to update. Let me decide when to update, if I want to stay in 2010 let me.
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One of my big beefs was the vicious hardware/software upgrade cycle. More memory, bigger hard drives, faster cpus to keep up. y

I was a beta tester for Memphis, named Win98 when it was released. Even spent a day in a campus lab in Redmond with my computer and plotter. Everything worked up until the last couple of releases, then I had to replace two peripherals, a scanner and printer I believe.
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I had a lot of expensive fun back in those days. I ran 5-2-2-1 timings a lot OCd.
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What's the difference between consumer and actual computers? Video cards can be added if you need four monitors. Linux has has multiple workspaces for many years, with two monitors I had eight virtual monitors with open programs.
HP used to be pretty clear about the difference between Computers and Consumer Electronics. Two different divisions with different phone numbers and different tech support, warranties, etc. It is less clear now that HP has separated into HP and HPE. Silly the real computers are still part of HP instead of going with the servers into HPE.
A consumer store like Best Buy, Office Depot, Office Max, etc. is NOT authorized to sell Computers, only Consumer Electronics. Apple wouldn't authorize Best Buy to sell their computers either. The last actual storefront that had both HP authorizations was CompUSA, who was also authorized to sell Apple. When CompUSA closed Apple put a small Apple Store with Apple Employees in many Best Buys. They eventually trained enough people that it seems Best Buy can sell Apple Computers.
Consumer Electronics is designed to sell one at a time to home users. They need a high markup since it is a lot of work to sell ONE unit. The business units bought properly actually work out about the same price.

Business units have a stable platform so that a business can buy quantities over a year or so and have the same units to support. Warranties are 3 years instead of one. Drivers and Firmware are released for years. Some of the HP Workstations running CNC equipment have been in service for 10 years and had firmware updates just a couple years ago. Consumer electronics is designed to toss after a year or so.
Interesting that you can buy actual Computers online from places like BestBuy.com and it will be shipped from Ingram Micro directly to you. Somebody is assuming if you buy it online, you are responsible for making the correct choice.
Unix/Linux is great but I wouldn't want to deal with it on the desktop with its limitations. We ran our main database on Oracle on Linux for a long time but were finally forced to change to MS when the software vendor only would support Oracle on Windows Server. That Epicor system works perfectly today on SQL 2012 on Server 2012.
We ran a number of small field offices on ClearOS server/firewalls (Linux) and it always worked great.

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HP used to be pretty clear about the difference between Computers and Consumer Electronics. Two different divisions with different phone numbers and different tech support, warranties, etc. It is less clear now that HP has separated into HP and HPE. Silly the real computers are still part of HP instead of going with the servers into HPE.
A consumer store like Best Buy, Office Depot, Office Max, etc. is NOT authorized to sell Computers, only Consumer Electronics. Apple wouldn't authorize Best Buy to sell their computers either. The last actual storefront that had both HP authorizations was CompUSA, who was also authorized to sell Apple. When CompUSA closed Apple put a small Apple Store with Apple Employees in many Best Buys. They eventually trained enough people that it seems Best Buy can sell Apple Computers.
Consumer Electronics is designed to sell one at a time to home users. They need a high markup since it is a lot of work to sell ONE unit. The business units bought properly actually work out about the same price.

Business units have a stable platform so that a business can buy quantities over a year or so and have the same units to support. Warranties are 3 years instead of one. Drivers and Firmware are released for years. Some of the HP Workstations running CNC equipment have been in service for 10 years and had firmware updates just a couple years ago. Consumer electronics is designed to toss after a year or so.
Interesting that you can buy actual Computers online from places like BestBuy.com and it will be shipped from Ingram Micro directly to you. Somebody is assuming if you buy it online, you are responsible for making the correct choice.
Unix/Linux is great but I wouldn't want to deal with it on the desktop with its limitations. We ran our main database on Oracle on Linux for a long time but were finally forced to change to MS when the software vendor only would support Oracle on Windows Server. That Epicor system works perfectly today on SQL 2012 on Server 2012.
We ran a number of small field offices on ClearOS server/firewalls (Linux) and it always worked great.
I'm sure that was true in the 90s but all grades of computers are available to consumers, including businesses. They sell high end gaming machines in retail outlets, no way they are substandard for business applications. If a vendor doesn't sell software for anything but Windows it has nothing to do with the computers but everything to do with the software company. My design/plotter driven software only runs on XP, what does that mean? Nothing. It was all about market share. Has nothing to do with brands. I keep that machine around just for that.

It was all a closed system in '90 when I got into it but quickly went turn key since that's where the money was. Linux was always open source and a very small user base but that's got nothing to do with brands, computers or superiority. If one needs a specific OS for specific software it is what is is.

In my opinion HP sucks software wise, installing printers is like installing an OS and tends to stomp on everything else. I had a HP color laser from before getting into Linux but it was always a pain to install, and BIG. No one else seems to need that.

I'm just not buying the HP commercial computer hype. They're just computers and you can get low end or high end or build them like I have for the last 27 years.
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urThis is probably a little arcane, but here goes...

There used to be a definite distinction between workstations and PCs. Workstations were either HP or Sun, running their proprietary versions of Unix on proprietary processors.

Looking ahead, HP decided they could kill off their OS development, kill off their processor development, and kill off their US support, replacing it with an Indian call center reading canned scripts.


This was all a plan to follow the Dell model. Intel architecture, and MS OS, cheap support.

The cheap support was a real problem, because you have trained system administrators with software and hardware support contracts totalling in the hundreds of thousands a year to millions a year getting asked something stupid, like try to reboot it.

Equipment buys shifted over to Sun, their main rival in the workstation space. The Itanium slip and eventual underperformance accelerated the shift away from HP.

Regarding Oracle, they bought Sun, so you can run Oracle using Sun's version of Unix.

When I refer to workstation, the systems I'm talking about have 8-50x the ram you'd have on a home system. Heavy duty design, simulation, etc.
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Even if you know a lot about Linux, most programs like Microsoft office have troubles using it. Stick with Win7 If you like it more, I personally enjoy win10. Just buy an extra hard drive and dual boot it. IT would only be like $40 for the drive and you already have the OEM
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At 7:34 AM, Windows 10 is going to force another update on me.
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Just in time to get no work done for the day after it crashes your computer at 8:06 am
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Even if you know a lot about Linux, most programs like Microsoft office have troubles using it. Stick with Win7 If you like it more, I personally enjoy win10. Just buy an extra hard drive and dual boot it. IT would only be like $40 for the drive and you already have the OEM
You don't need to know a lot about Linux these days. If you can install Windows you can install Linux. If MS Office is a must then sure you need Windows. LibreOffice is full featured, maybe not as good, I don't know but if you can use one you can probably use the other.
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Windows 7 user here. No reason to upgrade.

Facebook ? No freakin'thanks. It's the "New TV" with added soap operas and drama which keep people addicted to using it (while driving, walking, eating dinner, etc). And all the selfie addicts duck-lipping away. Damm..whats this world coming too ?
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Just in time to get no work done for the day after it crashes your computer at 8:06 am
That's what happened the last time. It appears Windows is waiting to pounce on me - has not started the update. Waiting for me to reboot like I often have to because the web browser fracture memory.

Was the whole point of getting the faster processor, more ram, and an actual video chip - just so this wouldn't happen.
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I just have to restart the browser when that happens. My version of Firefox has a huge memory leak. It crashes when it uses 56 GB.

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