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Old 12-14-2017, 05:32 AM   #1
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2 nights ago, came over to the laptop to catch up on Facebook and other social media gossip sites like CT.

It has that damned spinning circle of marbles going with a warning to DO NOT TURN OFF, update in progress, 0% completed.

3 hours later, it reboots and states "update ha failed, please wait while we restore you system - and get this it literally, actually the fck has this text symbol:

I'm going- oh chit.

Miracle of miracle, Windows 10 manages to reboot finally, after another HOUR.

So now I'm pissed. Windows 10 Home - can't turn off updates.
Windows 10 Pro - can - but you can't upgrade to Pro when you have an OEM edition of Home installed - must do a wipe/fresh install - no I'm not going to give up all that time to do this. Unless:


Windows 7 was wicked fast, never gave me chit.

So now I've got HP OEM Windows 7 Pro SP1.

Is anyone going to stop me from dual partitioning? I'm going to pull the trigger on something. Living this way is madness.


What about Linux? A live distro that works & feels like Windows 7?
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I never went past XP, I got tired of keeping it working. Did many reinstalls but XP was pretty good, it's just that the registry accumulates massive amounts of garbage. I hear a lot of complaints about W10 especially the update deal.

I have used numerous linux distros and settled on Mint. There's different flavors for a desktop but Cinnamon seems the best and where their focus is. There isn't a lot of difference in use really. You click this that drag poke just like windows.

Hardware wise it recognizes everything I've plugged into it, Android tablet, drawing tablets, phone, etc. I use the file manager to move files to and from the phone, it's easier. I imagine windows does that too.

There is no registry to swell up or corrupt on you. All programs run on top of the kernel so even large programs install quickly. Then you just run them, no set up. They uninstall almost instantly and leave nothing behind.

Linux sucks for games though, although Steam solves that somewhat, but limited in selection for Linux. I haven't looked into it for a long while though.

Updates are when you want and what you want. I usually do them all and on this ancient laptop (Vista vintage) it takes maybe 10 minutes at the largest, which typically includes one of the two browsers. Plus you can use the computer when it's doing it. Seldom needs to reboot, even with a kernel update.

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I never went past XP, I got tired of keeping it working. Did many reinstalls but XP was pretty good, it's just that the registry accumulates massive amounts of garbage. I hear a lot of complaints about W10 especially the update deal.

I have used numerous linux distros and settled on Mint. There's different flavors for a desktop but Cinnamon seems the best and where their focus is. There isn't a lot of difference in use really. You click this that drag poke just like windows.

Hardware wise it recognizes everything I've plugged into it, Android tablet, drawing tablets, phone, etc. I use the file manager to move files to and from the phone, it's easier. I imagine windows does that too.

There is no registry to swell up or corrupt on you. All programs run on top of the kernel so even large programs install quickly. Then you just run them, no set up. They uninstall almost instantly and leave nothing behind.

Linux sucks for games though, although Steam solves that somewhat, but limited in selection for Linux. I haven't looked into it for a long while though.

Updates are when you want and what you want. I usually do them all and on this ancient laptop (Vista vintage) it takes maybe 10 minutes at the largest, which typically includes one of the two browsers. Plus you can use the computer when it's doing it. Seldom needs to reboot, even with a kernel update.
Thanks. Will go look for Mint/Cinnamon.

The idea of being in the middle of something and this happening is beyond rational.
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Download and burn to a dvd as an iso image. Makes it bootable. Then you can run it, although slowly. And gives the option to install from the desktop. If you do, I would recommend selecting the update on install option.

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I said iso file, I meant iso image.
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Download and burn to a dvd as an iso file. Makes it bootable. Then you can run it, although slowly. And gives the option to install from the desktop. If you do, I would recommend selecting the update on install option.
My intent is to run it live, see if I can adapt.
Downloading 18.2 now.


Which anti-virus do you recommend? (lol) I swear the a/v & "HP Assistant" is what sucks the life out of this machine.
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My intent is to run it live, see if I can adapt.
Downloading 18.2 now.


Which anti-virus do you recommend? (lol) I swear the a/v & "HP Assistant" is what sucks the life out of this machine.
I've never used an A/V program on any of the distros. I'm not sure they have any these days. They used to have Clam but I never tried it.
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I've never used an A/V program on any of the distros. I'm not sure they have any these days. They used to have Clam but I never tried it.
Yeah, I was kidding. That's one of the strong points of Linux above all else - its not bothered by malware.
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And that's why I got Win7 Pro with my new laptop. Updates are turned off. When I want them, I'll update manually.
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I've been playing with this thing for the last month or so; came with Win 10 Pro pre-installed. You can turn off some of the updates, but some will happen no matter what you do unless you cut off internet access. It's almost ridiculous how often that thing phones home.

I'm actually kind of liking Win 10 after getting all of the options set the way I want (killed Cortana right out of the box). Still not ready to switch over to it as my main machine though.

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I almost went the mini route when I built my htpc. Parts were too tiny and they cost more so I went up a size.
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This is no BS:

As I posted the last message, W10 said my file manager stopped responding - end program.

Then it rebooted. Said "instaling updates". This apparently the failed update from before.

At 10:30 AM, it booted to the desktop said "Creators Update".

Yeah, now chrome barely runs, and my file manager is trashed.

I'm using the "Creators" name in vain on this happy horsechit.
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HP Computers - not the consumer junk - actual Computers, still mostly ship with Windows 7 Pro. We are using HP Workstations for all but the lightest office use and they have only about 10% of the models shipping with Win10. That is still far higher than the maximum percentage that ever shipped with Win8.
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Windows 10 is a joke for a real business.
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Windows 10 works fine for me.

No problems so far.

I like it.

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Windows 10 works fine for me.

No problems so far.

I like it.

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When it was brand new, W10 was... OK.

Home Edition is just plain bad - no control over what happens.
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Never use the Home Edition of any system.

I haven't had any trouble with 10 either.

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HP Computers - not the consumer junk - actual Computers, still mostly ship with Windows 7 Pro. We are using HP Workstations for all but the lightest office use and they have only about 10% of the models shipping with Win10. That is still far higher than the maximum percentage that ever shipped with Win8.
I just added two more Z2 Gen 3 workstations. My new personal unit is item Z2D61UT, which is E3-1245v5 16Gb 512Gb Z-Turbo NVidia M620 which will run 4 monitors. $1300. I added an additional 5Tb HD for local pics and videos.
Windows 10 is a joke for a real business.
What's the difference between consumer and actual computers? Video cards can be added if you need four monitors. Linux has has multiple workspaces for many years, with two monitors I had eight virtual monitors with open programs.
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Yeah, you can pay a premium for high grade hardware, but the majority of "real businesses" run with the same stuff or actually lower grade than the youngsters' gaming machines.

Where the rubber meets the road is in the software. In that sense, Win 10 is a fail with its arbitrary updates that despite the best intentions can easily break something that worked perfectly in a previous iteration.
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Yeah, I was kidding. That's one of the strong points of Linux above all else - its not bothered by malware.

Mint has vulnerabilities.
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Mint has vulnerabilities.
Are those vulnerabilities being exploited?

The effort for malware is towards Windows, and as time goes on, Apple.

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