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Old 09-09-2017, 12:59 PM   #1
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Been looking around. I want to start tinkering again. Most of the programs I've seen are subscription based and self hosted. Not interested in that.

Looking for something that I pay for and it's mine. That I can upload to my own host that I already have. WYSIWYG is probably better for me because I'm not that big into coding although I can work through it.

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The best option I can recommend for those criteria would be Wordpress + a theme that you like + SiteOrigin(hat tip to Carl Sorenson for that one). SiteOrigin actually has some really nice themes and I've always been a fan of StudioPress for themes on the Genesis framework.

Or you could hire a pro and most likely recoup the expense within 3-6 months. I know you like to tinker so that's probably not going to happen but it's important, for those of us that tinker, to be reminded that we're not actually saving any money. We're just having a Thoreau moment.

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I don't really use my site as a revenue generator. It's more of a portfolio. But if I could get it generating revenue for me I wouldn't complain. I like to tinker, it helps me learn stuff and keeps me from being bored. Plus I like the idea that I'm in total control of all aspects.

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Word press is great for tinkering tinkerers, why I PHUKIN HATE IT. Almost rather hand code the whole nut.

Options are few in terms of 'Applications' as such. Dreamweaver is heavy duty and you like to tinker without coding, that'd be one to explore. CSS is a mind fork if you build them from scratch.

Adobe Muse is a good, more layout oriented. Tho I believe your post to an adobe site and can link to it through your site. Some quick PHP redirect and nobody would ever know the difference.

Best bet is to seriously look at word press. Get free or buy cheap templates and make it happen. As long as your web hosting supports Word Press, it's on your domian. So you have total control.
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I didn't see a non subscription based Dream Weaver. Is there one?
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You are a specialty and most of your business probably comes from other contractors but there's still value in having a good site. Younger GC's also use the web to find subs now.

In your service area there are probably between 1000-2000 searches a month for your products and there's a lot of competition so I don't love the odds, but you're also not going to need a ton of projects to make it worth your while. Even for my deck biz, I would get only 3-400 visits a month, but that would result in 10-20 calls. I'd only pick the cherries because I was usually fairly booked but it added up to around $30-100k a year in business. If you spend somewhere in the $2k-5k range on the site, you're still looking at a really good return over time. You can even spend less than that and get something better than what you're probably going to build but it's probably not going to reflect your business very well, imo.

At a guess, you'll probably spend 80-120 hours building your first website if you are starting from scratch and trying for a fairly complete site in the end. I doubt it will be that great(I would say that to anyone, I'm not talking about you in particular) or that effective in generating and converting traffic. What you CAN do on your own is make sure that you're taking good pictures, writing good content and getting all your local search citations up which will really help improve the site and it's performance.
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Sorry misread your question Leo.... No they do not sell stand alone anymore. And if they do it's a secret link.

Dreamweaver Link Here Subscription

Single apps seem a bit pricey for thier annual plans. Alternative is to find value at the right price in the bundles.

I have the full nut CC plan and quite happy with it. In the end it's about the same cost as upgrading Photoshop yearly before the subscriptions started.
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If I'm a business making websites I want the latest and greatest and a subscription based program is probably best.

But I just want to upgrade and maintain my one site and be able to modify/fix it in the future. As long as programming codes don't go so ballistic that it makes the program useless, I'm as happy as a pig in mud.

I'm using a free WYSIWYG program that I got years ago. It sucks, but I learned how to use it and make it work. It is outdated now. No mobile compatibility, no HTML 5 and it's hard to implement any JAVA. But if someone wiped out my site, I could have it back up and running in 15 minutes. I also use Evrsoft First Page 2006 for a brute force HTML editor.
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Wysiwyg is going to spit out garbage code.

I second what everyone else is saying go with WordPress.

He'll you could use notepad to code a site if you wanted but I wouldn't recommend it

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I used to code in machine language bit by bit. Man did that suck. But I could do it.
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Have you looked at GoDaddy gocentral?
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Hell if you want to just play around and want wysiwyg just use wiz it's free

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Wix* God damn auto correct

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If I'm a business making websites I want the latest and greatest and a subscription based program is probably best.

But I just want to upgrade and maintain my one site and be able to modify/fix it in the future. As long as programming codes don't go so ballistic that it makes the program useless, I'm as happy as a pig in mud.

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You are still able to purchase a boxed version of Dreamweaver CSX on ebay, where the higher X is the better. You probably won't receive any updates from Adobe but it should give you all the power you need.

Adobe also offers http://brackets.io/ for free.

If you like the code but don't want Adobe check out Sublime Text.

The above assumes you run Windows and don't want to run WordPress. If you're open to the idea of WordPress then there is a huge knowledge base out there to allow you to go as deep/shallow into the development process as you want to go.

In my opinion, I think you are underestimating the value of an effective site.
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You are still able to purchase a boxed version of Dreamweaver CSX on ebay, where the higher X is the better. You probably won't receive any updates from Adobe but it should give you all the power you need.

Adobe also offers http://brackets.io/ for free.

If you like the code but don't want Adobe check out Sublime Text.

The above assumes you run Windows and don't want to run WordPress. If you're open to the idea of WordPress then there is a huge knowledge base out there to allow you to go as deep/shallow into the development process as you want to go.

In my opinion, I think you are underestimating the value of an effective site.
What's the deal with Wordpress? Is it not an HTML system? Someone mentioned that my hosting had to be compatible with Wordpress.
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You are correct in that it is HTML based. However, it is classified as a content management system.

Most web hosting providers will be able to support it. There are websites dedicated to ranking the various WordPress hosting companies with data about uptime, pricing, support, etc.
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You do sorry missed the part about you wanting to host it yourself

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If your hosting provider can't support a WordPress install run run very fast!

If you want to play around you can grab yourself a 5$ VPS from Vultr and install WordPress or anything else you want on it

If interested pm me I'll send you my affiliate link for 10$ free enough for 2 months at the $5 level

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