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Old 10-14-2008, 07:25 AM   #1
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I'm a big time user of Windows Calendar in the Vista operating system.
You can schedule appointments, set the length of the appointment, and visually see your schedule day by day.
And you can set reminders to alert you. Whether it be 2 weeks, 1 week, 3 days, 2 days, 1 day, by the minute, etc. And when the alert pops up you can snooze it for a lesser time frame.
And since I didn't want to derail another thread, I thought I would ask here:

Who is using Vista and what do you think about it, related to XP?

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And since I didn't want to derail another thread, I thought I would ask here:

Who is using Vista and what do you think about it, related to XP?
Vista "Home" sux! REALLY sux!!!!!

Vista "Ultimate" is "Acceptable".
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You need to set this up as a poll

Vista

compared to XP - same or better performance & more secure
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I am really interested in "experiences".

Seems more secure for sure, but I am having some difficulty with the switch. Seems that the email client doesn't work the same (it's features) and a few other nuances.
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Seems more secure for sure, but I am having some difficulty with the switch. Seems that the email client doesn't work the same (it's features) and a few other nuances.
There are always changes when you switch or upgrade, whether it be a PC, a new vehicle, etc...

I hate the numerous are you sure, but they had to put those in for 2 reasons; security & stupid users "you mean when I hit delete its gone & I can't recover it a year & half later"

Are you talking about Outlook or the cheap free Mail program included? I only use the free one for newsgroups & never use it for email. Personally, I feel that any business would be crazy to use the free version.
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There are always changes when you switch or upgrade, whether it be a PC, a new vehicle, etc...

I hate the numerous are you sure, but they had to put those in for 2 reasons; security & stupid users "you mean when I hit delete its gone & I can't recover it a year & half later"

Are you talking about Outlook or the cheap free Mail program included? I only use the free one for newsgroups & never use it for email. Personally, I feel that any business would be crazy to use the free version.

Yeah, was talking about outlook. I have pop3 email from my websites.

The address book behaves differently as well as some other aspects. Just curious as to what others thought of their experiences.
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Vista is gay

alot of my software was not compatible with it. The safety features crippled so many things it was unreal. How does a MS product not recognize another MS Product.
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Yeah, Windows Vista is a little buggy.
You'll find a lot of applications, specifically latest version of IE, will run into problems here and there.

When Microsoft first developed NT technology it wasn't all that pretty, but it was a revolutionary platform.

A lot of your older programs problems can be solved by right-clicking on your application and clicking on the "compatibility" tab.
So you can run your old software by "faking" the program to think you're running on another OS.

In reality, Vista is the MOST secure operating system developed by Microsoft.
It needs a few bugs/hacks worked out, but I'm sure they've been working on them for a couple years now. Vista has been long-developed, it's the software your using that hasn't caught up yet.
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Yeah, Windows Vista is a little buggy.
You'll find a lot of applications, specifically latest version of IE, will run into problems here and there.

When Microsoft first developed NT technology it wasn't all that pretty, but it was a revolutionary platform.

A lot of your older programs problems can be solved by right-clicking on your application and clicking on the "compatibility" tab.
So you can run your old software by "faking" the program to think you're running on another OS.

In reality, Vista is the MOST secure operating system developed by Microsoft.
It needs a few bugs/hacks worked out, but I'm sure they've been working on them for a couple years now. Vista has been long-developed, it's the software your using that hasn't caught up yet.
I agree with you but, what do I do with my 30k in software in the meantime
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You run it inside a virtual machine or a virtual pc
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I'm sticking with XP. Tried Vista like rbs said I have to much money in software to change.
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I've been using Vista for 10 months. It's a little different and takes some getting used to. Overall I think it runs better, but it took a long time to realize that. In the beginning I thought it was terrible.
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I can't see spending more than $100 on any software.
99% of the software I have on my machine is Google freebies or freeware from a third party.
If it's not, then I'm in the process of programming it.

I'm actually coding a contact management suite right now based off a sample open source mail application from Google's Web Toolkit. Java and Ajax are great stuff!
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..........If it's not, then I'm in the process of programming it. I'm actually coding a contact management suite right now based off a sample open source mail application from Google's Web Toolkit. Java and Ajax are great stuff!

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Yes I am.
But I definitely don't pour money into others' pockets in things like software that are outdated within a year anyhow.
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Yes I am.
But I definitely don't pour money into others' pockets in things like software that are outdated within a year anyhow.
I just don't have the time, know how or desire to build software. That 30k has been over 10 years about 40% of what I bought is still in use after all this time. I eventually inversted some money for a web base application recently and just let them host and continue to update the software as needed.

It just seems easier to me to write a check in this instance. I will stick to remodeling and leave the tech stuff to the techies

I think vista may hold some promise in the future I will wait a year or so till it is a bit more stable and useable
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Thanks for the dialogue, guys. Keep it coming.
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I like Vista quite a bit. I have it on my laptop and use it as my main OS for my recording studio. That was a decision not taken lightly, but I felt it was the best option for running everything. Vista has much better memory management and much higher precision in digital representation of a naturally analog source. Plus, it's great to run in 64 bit.

I find the biggest critics of Vista are usually people who have not used it themselves or people who used it pre-SP1, which did fix a lot of the issues the OS had. It runs great if you treat it like a new OS and not try to load it on your P2 233mhz computer. New OS's require newer hardware and of course it won't work good if you're only running 1gig of ram.

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We've all heard the litany of complaints about Microsoft Windows Vista. The blogosphere reverberates with Vista schadenfreude (DVICE occasionally included), perpetuating assertions that the flagship Windows operating system is expensive, unwieldy and generally a disaster. It's time for a fact check.

We wanted to approach this project from the only angle that counts — one of experience and first-hand knowledge of Vista. To do this, we've been extensively testing the current version, Windows Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1, both Ultimate and Home Premium versions), using it on everything from a dinky laptop to a dual quad-core monster desktop workstation. We've been putting it through its paces all day, every day for six months.

We set out to test the Top 10 Vista criticisms we found, determining if those complaints held true with how Vista works today. Is it really as bad as everybody says it is? Or is it all just perception based on a few initial problems and Internet propaganda? Hit the Continue jump to read the 10 biggest lies you need to stop believing about Vista.

1. Plenty of Bugs and Glitches
This one is pure propaganda. In our experience, the only crash we've experienced happened when we installed the new version 8.0 of iTunes (how ironic!), and even that didn't result in the dreaded Blue Screen of Death — just a hard lockup that required a cold boot. System Restore blew out the problem, bringing everything back to normal in minutes.
Lie Meter: 10 (Key: 10 = total lie, 0 = everything you've heard is true)

2. Upgrading Is a Hassle
Using Vista's original version, we encountered a weird anomaly with HP printer drivers where Microsoft Word would mysteriously re-launch after we closed it, but no crashes resulted. We've had another issue with M-Audio, where its USB preamp for our podcast microphone has no Vista-compatible driver, to this day. In its first days after initial launch, 29% of Vista's driver problems are allegedly the fault of NVIDIA. While we're using NVIDIA graphics cards on both the notebook and desktop, we've been lucky not to experience any video-driver troubles. And on the notebook with Vista pre-installed, the driver troubles have been nonexistent.
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3. Nagging Security Prompts
The dreaded User Account Control, or UAC, does nag you incessantly, wanting to know if you're sure you want to do this or that. But it's easy to disable those prompts, so much so that if you can't do it, you're not even trying. The one's a favorite complaint from those who are completely clueless about Vista.
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4. There Are Many Versions — Expensive Versions
Microsoft is brand spamming us with all those multiple versions of the Vista operating system, and we wish there were just one. The pricing is high, too, retailing at $319.95 for a non-upgrade copy of Vista Ultimate (upgrade for $219.95), and $259.95 ($129.95 to upgrade) for the most popular version, Vista Home Premium. Cheaper versions don't even have that sweet, gorgeous Aero interface, so we're not even counting them. Keep in mind that these are retail prices, and all Microsoft's future service packs and updates are free, so you could get away with only buying Vista once and keeping it for years without paying any more. Taken in context, it's not a bad deal, and unless you're using Ubuntu (our fave OS) or other open-source software, a modern OS isn't going to be cheap no matter how you slice it.
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5. It's Not Simple or Intuitive
This is so subjective, one person might think all computers are near-impossible to use while the person next door thinks they're all simple. We've found Vista to be full of usability enhancements, and see no difficulty using it. We particularly like the way menus stay on the top of an application window, and not at the top of the desktop — this is especially useful when multiple apps are open across our dual-monitor setup. We also like the two mouse buttons on our Vista laptop.
Lie Meter: 10

6. Windows Defender Slows Everything Down
It's true that Windows Defender is a memory hog, but that's the case with most antivirus software. It's unfair to single out Vista's software on this one. And if you're careful (like us), you don't need antivirus software, anyway. It's like closing the barn door after all the horses have already run out. Virus paranoia is a trumped-up piece of fear mongering planted for propaganda purposes. Are we just lucky? Windows Defender doesn't slow us down, because we shut it down without consequence. Maybe it's because we know better than to click on strange attachments (and use Gmail), we have a hardware firewall with a strong password, we always use Firefox, or we just don't wander around sleazy websites — but virus trouble on Vista is rare.
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7. It's Generally Slow
If you have an old PC, just about anything you do short of MS-DOS is going to seem slow. Yes, Vista and its Aero interface require more resources, and Vista needs a modern processor and multiple gigs of RAM. But hey, this is 2008. Also, Microsoft made a mistake in quoting the minimum system requirements way too low. But overall, in my tests of XP vs. Vista on the exact same machine, Vista was 15.28% faster.
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8. Slow File Transfers
This was a problem with the original Vista, but it's been largely solved in Vista Service Pack 1 (SP1). When we tested SP1 (a pre-release, not the shipping version) file-transfer speeds, they felt slower than Windows XP's, but a lot of that difference had to do with the way the transfer is displayed on the screen. When XP's file-transfer window closed, the transfer wasn't really complete, but Vista was more true to the actual transfer and the subsequent file checking that goes on. But yes, the file transfers aren't as fast in Vista, but in the shipping version of SP1, the difference is hardly noticeable.
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9. Activation Issues
Windows Vista must communicate with the mother ship in Redmond if you want to keep on using it, or you must enter a special activation number after you contact Microsoft. But it's really no big deal. On the laptop we received with Vista already installed, activation wasn't even an issue at all — it was already done. On the desktop machine where we installed Vista Ultimate, the activation was done online in about two seconds and if we weren't looking, we would have hardly known it happened. If we were constantly swapping out a lot of hardware, this would be annoying, but usually, complaints about activation come from only the most inept software pirates who aren't aware of numerous activation workarounds.
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10. Start Menu Is Hard to Navigate
This is a really lame complaint. If the start menu is hard for you to navigate, it's probably pretty tough for you to operate a close-and-play record player, load a DVD, and start your car, too. We saw this complaint in a lot of places all over the web, and find it to be vacuous.
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Conclusion
Most of the disinformation floating around about Windows Vista is simply not true. Yes, you've been fed a pack of lies, accompanied with a healthy dose of "truthiness." Sure, a lot of that static originated at Vista's clumsy release 18 months ago, but since SP1 was rolled out, Vista is a different animal now. We originally planned to dump Vista after we finished this half-year test, but now that we've experienced it first-hand, we're sticking with it. In fact, we like it. A lot.
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Mystic,

where did you get that from?

Who is this "Dvice"? He's got some good conclusions
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I could not agree more, I have vista on my laptop and I must say I have never ever had a problem and I actually like it more.
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