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Old 01-22-2012, 10:32 AM   #1
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Well i thought i would put OSX Lion on my PC as i needed the Apple OS to use the jailbreak that just come out for the A5 apple devices and i have been using it for the last couple of days and i dont get the hype? people really go out and buy Apple Hardware to Run this OS system What exactly are you converts from Windows to OSX finding thats so great about Apple OS's? Im gonna leave both systems running still as i have already paid for it so i wanna get into using it some more and try and get a better feel for why all the hype.
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I did the same thing. I installed Snow Leopard on a PC (hackintosh) and ran it for a few month. I never understood the hype either. The OS seems to fight anything you want to do that is outside of the basics. I didn't find things very intuitive either. Yes there is a learning curve to understand the way that OSX does certain things but other things seem flat our stupid. If I close a program I expect it to be closed. Instead I have to Quit the program because using the normal close function like the X in the corner doesn't really close it. It just seems like an odd way to do things. There were a lot of other issues I had with it but it's been a while and I don't recall all of them. I ditched OSX and am now dual booting Win7 and Ubuntu on this machine. Ubuntu and OSX come from the same Unix roots but Linux is infinitely more usable than OSX to me.

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I'll take Ubuntu over OSX any day of the week. The Mac's got their reputation from back when they were running motorola processors that did twice the actual work per clock cycle, used SCSI interface which was expensive - Intel based servers used it, but PC's used PCI, and Photoshop and other creative software was built for Mac first, and optimized for that platform.

Now Macs use the same hardware, the OS is nothing special - basically a locked down Linux flavor, and creative software isn't made with the "serious users all have Macs" mentality. People still use the "Macs are better for creative" arguments even though that hasn't been true in a LONG time. Oh, and don't forget that the best graphics cards work just dandy on Ubuntu as well. No more graphics king status!

Now there is one area where there isn't much for open source software, and that's CAD software - but guess what? A lot of that is Windows ONLY!!! So Mac users are out. You can't run Autocad, or Revit, OR Chief Architect on Mac so you're stuck with a VM, or multi boot machine. IMHO, the VM on Mac is much slower and doesn't emulate nearly as well as the ones available for Ubuntu - and there are a few. It comes preinstalled with one I think, or you can use VMWare, or a number of others. Personally I'd stack up a Linux box running a VM with a Windows install running Autocad over a Mac box any day.

1. It's bad to the bone. Fast and efficient. We got two rack mount servers that are identical. We installed Windows on one, Ubuntu on the other. The Ubuntu one runs quiet, cool, and FAST! The Windows one runs hot, fans stay going full tilt (loud) ... That's not saying anything against OSX, but says something for Ubuntu.

2. Its an enterprise class production stable server platform.

3. It's FREE!!!

4. It's got tons of applications - a lot of them are open source, and free.

5. It's easy to run a virtual machine - and run a virtual instance of whatever you want on it for apps that are OS specific. Lets say I want to run a program that is Windows only - I'll install Windows (or OSX :P) on a virtual machine, and run it without issues.
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Has anyone tried wine to run AutoCad?

Currently I am using LibreCad. It's alright but doesn't have DWG libraries.

I tried Draft Sight the other day. Had to force architecture because it's a 32 bit program. It also requires some outdated dependencies. When forced it worked with the newer versions. But I was getting warnings. I got a suggestion to run a command in a terminal. I thought the command would fix those issues. Instead it decided to unintall the program. I should of read the warning better when it ask for a y/n.
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I have AutoCad 2007 on a PC desktop, and through Parallels on an iMac and MacBook Pro. All three work great except the mouse is a bit too sensitive when scrolling in the macs in AutoCad (like the zoom in/out is insane if you're not careful) I often drag a finger on the mac magic mouse and the drawing either zooms in or out to maximum.

Other than that, no problems.

What's with WIN 7 waiting until you want to shutdown and go home that it decides it needs to install a bunch of updates? I'm sure I can change that setting, but what a pain at 4pm when you want to leave work.

Y'all sound like you enjoy the platforms you're on.

So am I.

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You can change the time it wants to update. You can also deny the request and do it later.
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Has anyone tried wine to run AutoCad?

Currently I am using LibreCad. It's alright but doesn't have DWG libraries.

I tried Draft Sight the other day. Had to force architecture because it's a 32 bit program. It also requires some outdated dependencies. When forced it worked with the newer versions. But I was getting warnings. I got a suggestion to run a command in a terminal. I thought the command would fix those issues. Instead it decided to unintall the program. I should of read the warning better when it ask for a y/n.
Try VMWare
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I have AutoCad 2007 on a PC desktop, and through Parallels on an iMac and MacBook Pro. All three work great except the mouse is a bit too sensitive when scrolling in the macs in AutoCad (like the zoom in/out is insane if you're not careful) I often drag a finger on the mac magic mouse and the drawing either zooms in or out to maximum.

Other than that, no problems.

What's with WIN 7 waiting until you want to shutdown and go home that it decides it needs to install a bunch of updates? I'm sure I can change that setting, but what a pain at 4pm when you want to leave work.

Y'all sound like you enjoy the platforms you're on.

So am I.
Parallels sucks for anything but the most basic functionality. My cousin - a tech guy at fed-ex who is far from tech dumb - loves his Macs, and runs Parallels as a VM. He hasn't had any serious issues with it, but then again, he doesn't use it for anything really heavy duty.

Windows 7 ... HAH! Windows Vista and 7 are one of the main reasons I went back to Linux

edit: my cousin has had no problems getting user level software going on Parallels. I prefer VMWare because I have been involved in heavy multi-platform testing of server software and it's the fire. You aren't likely to use the features I need. Still, I've found that it's more flawless, so I naturally gravitate toward it even for the simplest tasks.

Kind of like some guys will break out the Festool to do some standard base / shoe / casings in a tract home, because they have it, are used to it, and it seems silly to use a Rigid when you have a Festool
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http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualiz...73313?page=0,0

They seem to be pretty close.

I'll stick with Parallels. It runs AutoCad and Solidbuilder just fine.



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... i dont get the hype? people really go out and buy Apple Hardware to Run this OS system What exactly are you converts from Windows to OSX finding thats so great about Apple OS's?
This is a link with the information...
http://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-ne...ml#addressbook

I upgrade to the latest and greatest as a matter of habit. I think it was $30, so I wasn't expecting spectacular. Documents auto-save more often and duplicating is new...I think you can retrieve previous saves. Mission Control, App Store & Launchpad on the dock are the obvious.
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Personally I think if you want to use a mac because OSX is "better" then stay the hell out of windows. If it's a superior operating system then why are you running windows under parallels or vmware? Clearly it's not superior or you wouldn't need to run windows at all.
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Well I'm a few more days into it now and I still ain't getting it. I'm gonna remove it in the next few days as its really not doing anything my pc does. Like most apple stuff it looks nice but it's more form over function just like their phones. I get why they dumb it down to keep its simple for the people ain't ain't got the first clue how to use windows but it's crazy to pay more money for less.
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it must be better, the cool kid on the tv commercial is way cooler than the stuffy PC nerd.

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"Apple Overtakes Exxon As Most Valuable Traded Company In The World...Again" (Jordan Crook).

I guess they're doing something right, even with your low opinion.
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I guess they're doing something right, even with your low opinion.
Yes, they have a brilliant marketing plan. And they like to sell outdated products for a premium and come out with "new" products and convince people to upgrade every 8-12 months.
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Yes, they have a brilliant marketing plan. And they like to sell outdated products for a premium and come out with "new" products and convince people to upgrade every 8-12 months.
I'm already at that time with my 4S I'm watching everyone else use 4G and I'm stuck with crappy old 3G until the next model comes out def upgrading when it comes out. It's hard to do some of the stuff I'm doing over 3G. Roll on 20-30+mb/s
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what do you do on your phone that you need the 4g speeds?
i havent really been disappointed on 3g yet. maybe when i use a 4g i will see what i am missing.
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what do you do on your phone that you need the 4g speeds?
i havent really been disappointed on 3g yet. maybe when i use a 4g i will see what i am missing.
These phones require more and more bandwidth as time goes on. I stream a lot of music and download playlists, FaceTime, tether, connect to my home pc, download large files etc etc and 4g is much much faster.
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what do you do on your phone that you need the 4g speeds?
i havent really been disappointed on 3g yet. maybe when i use a 4g i will see what i am missing.
That's Apple's plan, keep people dumb to what they are missing. I keep hearing "i don't need faster than 3g..." What a load of crap, i suppose they still use dial up... Apple fans can't admit that their products are outdated before they even come out so they make up stupid excuses and lame lines line "I don't need flash, html5 is coming" ( heard that for years but flash is still going fairly strong...) "I don't need high speed data access" whatever.
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Personally I think if you want to use a mac because OSX is "better" then stay the hell out of windows. If it's a superior operating system then why are you running windows under parallels or vmware? Clearly it's not superior or you wouldn't need to run windows at all.
That's a pretty shallow assumption......mac hater

Actually, I have some 3D CAD pgms that only run on windows.

Since I am no longer design/building for a living........I don't really need windows at all.......but out of nostalgia, I keep them readily available.

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