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Old 12-14-2014, 06:20 PM   #21
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I bought a Lorex LW2960 system at Best Buy for $299.00 comes with 2 cameras. I bought it for my vacation rental property I have in Florida. I'm in PA so its nice checking on the place and getting alerts on my phone.



It was very easy to set up and the phone app works great! You can switch cameras on the phone and see and hear in real time. You can also talk through the cameras when someone is on the property through your phone. One thing I like is the alerts you get on your phone when you set the motion sensor on.

Here is a few snap shots from the cameras day and night pictures. The night shot on the boat tonight is bad because of the neighbors lights on usually you can see it pretty good.








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I bought a Lorex LW2960 system at Best Buy for $299.00 comes with 2 cameras. I bought it for my vacation rental property I have in Florida. I'm in PA so its nice checking on the place and getting alerts on my phone.

It was very easy to set up and the phone app works great! You can switch cameras on the phone and see and hear in real time. You can also talk through the cameras when someone is on the property through your phone. One thing I like is the alerts you get on your phone when you set the motion sensor on.

Here is a few snap shots from the cameras day and night pictures. The night shot on the boat tonight is bad because of the neighbors lights on usually you can see it pretty good.







I too Have a couple cameras like that. But I have to plug each camera into a 120 outlet. This other gets hardwired back to a receiver with one outlet for all the cameras. Plus it has 10 cameras.
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So with that system do you have yo run a wire back to the receiver with every camera?
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So with that system do you have yo run a wire back to the receiver with every camera?
Yes. I'm ok with that. It's much better then running a 120 outlet to the eaves of my house for each camera
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I think it's like running speakers. There is a channel for each camera.
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Yes. I'm ok with that. It's much better then running a 120 outlet to the eaves of my house for each camera
I could see that with 10 cameras
I just ran the wire from each camera inside through the wall and plugged it in. They gave you enough wire so it wasn't a problem.
That's a real good price for 10 cameras. I just wanted 2 to keep an eye on the golf cart and the boat.
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I installed a Qsee 8 camera system about a month ago. Purchased from BJ's. System is decent, good night vision. Started to notice it was rebooting a few times per day all by itself. Worked with their tech support and needless to say I have to get them to replace it. It's not supposed to reboot like that. But all in all, I like the system and it works good. Worth what I paid for it.
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I think I found the one I want. It's a Samsung
Don't unless you need the extra cameras, the Samsung is about half the resolution.
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Are those Lorex IP cams the same as the Hikvision ones?
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Are those Lorex IP cams the same as the Hikvision ones?
I would say no. Lorex is from a different chinese manufacturer than Hikvision. For our low end, we buy directly from a chinese manufacturer with a US office near us. These cams look exactly like Hikvision, and, I have seen thousands of cams, and, these are spot on.

FLIR/Lorex/Digimerge are all the same company now. But like all firms, there are low end and high end products. The different product levels may come from different manufacturing facilities within the same company. Or, the company may farm out different product lines to other manufacturers.

I used to have an office in Taipei and did a lot of business in Mainland China. You really had to dig deep to find out who exactly was making what.

Also, if a firm (usually internet type) says they have Sony CCTV cams. Well....don't believe it. Almost all CCTV cams use a Sony CCD chip in the cam cus Sony has the patent on it. The rest of the cam can be pure crap, but it has that Sony chip in it. It's like having Mercedes spark plug wires in a Yugo.
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So what's the difference between NVR and DVR systems?
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So what's the difference between NVR and DVR systems?
A NVR - Network Video Recorder is associated with networked cameras, usually POE type. Cameras will normally use CAT5e or CAT 6 wiring with RJ45 connectors. Cameras are individually programmed (in better systems) and occupy a network address on the system: ie: 192.168.1.102 for one cam, then 192.168.1.103 for the next cam and so forth.

A DVR - Digital Video Recorder - is associated with analog cameras that simply terminate at the recorder, usually via BNC connectors and coaxial cabling. These cameras will have limit on their resolution as expressed as TVL: total vertical lines.
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So is quality necessarily higher with an NVR system?


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Not necessarily. If you are talking about resolution (i.e. clarity) then there are some differences. However, quality depends on a lot of things. You can have well built analog and network cams, or, the other way around. There has been a big promotional push for high resolution Mega Pixel (i.e. 1 megapixel = 1 million pixels) cams, and there are some that are true junk.

Maybe here is some info you can use:
Analog cameras tend to top out on resolution at around 900 TVL. However some new types - HD-TVI: High Definition Transmit Video Interface cams - can have a resolution up to 2.1 Mega Pixes (2.1 million pixel - otherwise known as 1080P as in your HiDef Flat Screen TV). These analog, HD TVI cams will transmit high definition video signals over standard coax - RG59u and RG6.

Analog cams will use your DVR electronics to interpret and process the video signals.

Network/Digital/Mega Pixels cams usually have a base level resolution of 1.2 to 1.5 Mega Pixels------which you can see is below that 2.1 Mega Pixel resolution I mentioned earlier.

However you can get Mega Pixel cams that go up to 30 or more Mega Pixels.......We have installed plenty of 20 Mega Pixel cams and shot the video over high speed/high volume LAN (mostly point to point).

A decent NVR will process and interpret the Mega Pixel video resolution signal so that you are viewing it in "High Definition".

Regardless of what resolution your camera processes video images at, it don't mean squat if your DVR or NVR processes these incoming video signals at a lower resolution. You will get low resolution recordings regardless of your cams.

Additionally, if you have a low resolution VGA monitor, you will be viewing the images in low resolution regardless of what the cams and DVR/NVR's process the video streams at. The same is true for viewing on your computer, smart phone, tablet, etc.

We have tried using the new 4k Flat Screen Monitors for Mega Pixel video streams, but it still has issues that need to be resolved, so we are currently sticking with 1080p Monitors.

Hope this clears things up
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Are those Lorex IP cams the same as the Hikvision ones?
No, Swann IP are rebadged Hikvision cameras. IMHO Hik makes a better product than Lorex/Digimerge.

If you pick up any IP camera in the world there is about a 60% chance you are holding a Hik, despite the brand.

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So what's the difference between NVR and DVR systems?
One records analog or SDI video streams, the other uses a variety of compressed network video streams such as H.264. One for analog cameras, the other for IP.

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In short yes, all the best systems are IP, not analog or SDI.
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Not necessarily. If you are talking about resolution (i.e. clarity) then there are some differences. However, quality depends on a lot of things. You can have well built analog and network cams, or, the other way around. There has been a big promotional push for high resolution Mega Pixel (i.e. 1 megapixel = 1 million pixels) cams, and there are some that are true junk.

Maybe here is some info you can use:
Analog cameras tend to top out on resolution at around 900 TVL. However some new types - HD-TVI: High Definition Transmit Video Interface cams - can have a resolution up to 2.1 Mega Pixes (2.1 million pixel - otherwise known as 1080P as in your HiDef Flat Screen TV). These analog, HD TVI cams will transmit high definition video signals over standard coax - RG59u and RG6.

Analog cams will use your DVR electronics to interpret and process the video signals.

Network/Digital/Mega Pixels cams usually have a base level resolution of 1.2 to 1.5 Mega Pixels------which you can see is below that 2.1 Mega Pixel resolution I mentioned earlier.

However you can get Mega Pixel cams that go up to 30 or more Mega Pixels.......We have installed plenty of 20 Mega Pixel cams and shot the video over high speed/high volume LAN (mostly point to point).

A decent NVR will process and interpret the Mega Pixel video resolution signal so that you are viewing it in "High Definition".

Regardless of what resolution your camera processes video images at, it don't mean squat if your DVR or NVR processes these incoming video signals at a lower resolution. You will get low resolution recordings regardless of your cams.

Additionally, if you have a low resolution VGA monitor, you will be viewing the images in low resolution regardless of what the cams and DVR/NVR's process the video streams at. The same is true for viewing on your computer, smart phone, tablet, etc.

We have tried using the new 4k Flat Screen Monitors for Mega Pixel video streams, but it still has issues that need to be resolved, so we are currently sticking with 1080p Monitors.

Hope this clears things up
TVI is the replacement for SDI, and for a lesser extent CVI. They will never had a large foothold in the market because IP are more flexible.
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The kit probably comes with wires for all the cameras, you may need to extend a few.
I know you aren't suggesting someone use the premade cables
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I know you aren't suggesting someone use the premade cables
He's paying a whole 400 dollars for the kit he better make good use of the supplied cables!
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TVI is the replacement for SDI, and for a lesser extent CVI. They will never had a large foothold in the market because IP are more flexible.
That is true. It does replace SDI. I didn't want to get too much into it with folks that don't have a lot of depth in the subject.

I did forget to mention that you need to have a TVI capable DVR to use TVI cameras, but I kinda figured that would be a moot point here.

And, yes, IP is more flexible. I program IP cams all freaking day to work with various networks.

One thing that is not discussed much is API.....which every IP Cam salesman seems to not understand or want to talk about. This is especially true with "inexpensive" NVR's with on board POE.

But then again, this whole discussion is about low end analog systems.

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