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Old 11-09-2017, 07:13 PM   #21
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You didn't build my house did you? Guy gave me the same cry baby story when my house wasn't ready, it wasn't his fault the subs told him they were on track to finish on time

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If only we all had a bunch of guys that we could send off into the field with almost no supervision and they would get the work done perfectly and on time.

I think I just had an orgasm typing that sentence.
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Man that sucks, been there, done that. But not weeks, should have known something was up when work slowed after lighting the fire.
all you can do is negotiate the overcharges.

Might be better to pay em and forget em depending on the amount

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Man that sucks, been there, done that. But not weeks, should have known something was up when work slowed after lighting a fire.
all you can do is negotiate the overcharges.
What overcharges? They were hourly employees.
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Ive had 4 carpenters working for me for a month on an hourly rate, the job was a long distance job so I only visited the site once a week.

What would you do?
Did you hire all of them at the same time? did they know each other prior to hiring?

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What overcharges? They were hourly employees.
Oh... ya he has to pay them if employees. I had to re-read thought he was subbing out to a crew.
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So I feel they have had my pants down to be honest




Sounds like a personal problem.

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[QUOTE=cedarboarder;6480953]Did you hire all of them at the same time? did they know each other prior to hiring?[/QUOTE

Yes they work as a gang of 4, they are labour only subs, not employees
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outcome was Ive paid them 90% - I did not pay them for the fictitious hours when they were not there
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Did you hire all of them at the same time? did they know each other prior to hiring?[/QUOTE

Yes they work as a gang of 4, they are labour only subs, not employees
Explain labor only sub
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Explain labor only sub
Never mind, if you're in UK, probably different rules.
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Explain labor only sub
Trim, drywall hangers, tile setters, roofers ect... I buy all the materials. Never seen any different unless you sub drywall as a package and even then they usually want me to pay the materials

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Trim, drywall hangers, tile setters, roofers ect... I buy all the materials. Never seen any different unless you sub drywall as a package and even then they usually want me to pay the materials

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Hourly?
Some yes. My tile & Trim Sub would cost me almost double what an employee would cost

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I do a ton of time and materials with Jack, Russell and Chris. Almost every electrician and plumber I have ever worked with wants to be paid hourly for remodel work
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I had a guy on a trial basis for 4 weeks. He didn't make it.
- Padded an extra 24 hours over a 3 week period
- Didn't know the basics of what he said he knew
- Said he wanted all the benefits of his Union Job (pay scale, pension, vacation, holiday pay, etc)

After 3 weeks I noticed his claimed hours and went back over the projects and hours for each employee. Since he was riding with me each day, I knew what the hours were per my own daily logs.

I fired his dumb ass. I took those extra hours he claimed and deducted them from his final check. Either that or he gets charged with stealing money. He did technically steal some company clothing by not returning it, but I let that slide.

I can see being super busy and not noticing some stuff, that's my fault. I can't see letting it go for weeks though, and, accepting some BS excuses.....but that's just me. If I even think you are F---ing with me, you're fired.....go home to mamma, cry to her and go sit in your safe space and eat cookies.
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Some yes. My tile & Trim Sub would cost me almost double what an employee would cost

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I do a ton of time and materials with Jack, Russell and Chris. Almost every electrician and plumber I have ever worked with wants to be paid hourly for remodel work
I took the OP to have 1099 "employees"
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I took the OP to have 1099 "employees"
Maybe, it is pretty prevalent

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I had a guy on a trial basis for 4 weeks. He didn't make it.
- Padded an extra 24 hours over a 3 week period
- Didn't know the basics of what he said he knew
- Said he wanted all the benefits of his Union Job (pay scale, pension, vacation, holiday pay, etc)

After 3 weeks I noticed his claimed hours and went back over the projects and hours for each employee. Since he was riding with me each day, I knew what the hours were per my own daily logs.

I fired his dumb ass. I took those extra hours he claimed and deducted them from his final check. Either that or he gets charged with stealing money. He did technically steal some company clothing by not returning it, but I let that slide.

I can see being super busy and not noticing some stuff, that's my fault. I can't see letting it go for weeks though, and, accepting some BS excuses.....but that's just me. If I even think you are F---ing with me, you're fired.....go home to mamma, cry to her and go sit in your safe space and eat cookies.
I'm confused, you let it go for 4 weeks and he was riding with you. Then you state you can't see letting it go for weeks?



If their an employee they are under your order. Whatever they do on the clock is under your supervision. I still wonder why a lead wasn't on a project you were too busy to oversee. Always funny when guy running the "subs" run into quality issues.
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I'm confused, you let it go for 4 weeks and he was riding with you. Then you state you can't see letting it go for weeks?



If their an employee they are under your order. Whatever they do on the clock is under your supervision. I still wonder why a lead wasn't on a project you were too busy to oversee. Always funny when guy running the "subs" run into quality issues.
It is a good point that you bring up. They turn in their cards every two weeks. Actually he didn't ride with me everyday. Other days he came in on his own, or, he rode with someone else.

What gave it away was that he claimed, when he was riding with me, an extra 4 hours each time. At the end of the week, I am just totaling up hours for everyone. During this time there was some overtime, so it didn't come out right away.

Then on week three I was going over the time cards for everyone on projects. He was never alone, he was with one of my techs. When I saw what he did when he was with me, I decided to go back and check everyone's times on the projects. On the same projects, others were 8 hours, 7 hours, 8 hours and so forth. I then looked at his again: 10 hours, 12 hours.

That is when it all started to add up, that's on week 3. He then started on week 4, and, he started doing it again. So now, rather than assuming he was cheating, I had hard proof that he was. I was swamped, crews were swamped, I just wanted to make sure people were paid. Not a real excuse, but going back and double checking hours is not such a bad thing.

Nowadays, everyone calls in when they get on site, and, calls in when they leave the site. And it needs to be 8 hours. Any overtime has to be approved by me and there has to be a real good reason.
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Never mind, if you're in UK, probably different rules.
We have 2 different types of subs in the uk, full package or labour only

Full package takes full responsibility for that element supplies everything needed labour materials and sometimes design

Labour only are more like temp employees that work on a price given to them or hourly rate

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