To UNION Or Not To UNION

ARI001

I think it may be to late for that.

ARI001

[quote=JustaFramer;732556]Big Deal sweet tits. I work for these guys. How much volume did you do last year? You and the other two machine gun mouths with row boat ass's. Go circle jerk in blue house.


And yet another fine example of intelligence by union employees.

westernexplorer

To the OP, bottom line is if your in the type of business that doesn't require a whole lot of skills to perform than you can pay low and have a plantation mentallity and hire and fire anyone for any reason.

However, if you do highly techical work that requires special skills, you have to tolerate a certain amount of pre-madonna behavior from your employee's and learn to tolerate it, as long as they make you money.....since you can't replace them with an illegal or some other meatball.

Brickie

Speaking of Union welfare and ripping off the taxpayers.....

Boston, MA "The Big Dig" - Cost spirals to $22b; crushing debt sidetracks other work, pushes agency toward insolvency

http://www.boston.com/news/traffic/b..._campaign=8315

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CScalf

Well boys, I guess it is time to pull out the tape measure and size 'em up cuz apparently you both have a hard on for each other..... for christ's sake you are grown men not babies so start acting like it, who gives a fvck who's got what license, nobody needs to prove anything to anyone....damn

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ARI001

Western,
You seem to think that if the person is not union they are being payed below fair wages and are doing sub-par work. I assure you that is not the case.

bwalley

I seriously doubt you are even a licensed electrician, anyone can come on here and say they are licensed in 9 states, but that sounds like BS to me.

bwalley

Which states require an electricians employees to be licensed?

Many states you just buy a license, no proof of knowledge required, Florida is not one of those states.

Being a journeyman is not the same as being licensed.

Does your boss know you are trying to play electrician on the internet?

bwalley

Bill Clinton awarded a bunch of no bid contracts to Haliburton before Bush was ever nominated to run for President.

JustaFramer

Prevailing wage mandated by law is required to paid for that job. Regardless if it was union contractors or not.

I worked for one of the companies that worked the big dig. There a real **** hole company. Come in with a low bid and by the end of the job it has enormous cost over runs. They hire rank amateurs to run their jobs. I won't go into anymore. Other than if your state hires this firm to do work just know they will bilk the taxpayer by the end of the job.

JustaFramer

You know I glad I came up with that one after my fifth beer.

I intentionally dumbed my self down just to have a conversation with you troglodytes.

XanadooLTD

I thought it was funny. The problem with my location is that there is a general motors plant 15 miles away. This is a big union town. Government work however here can be done by non union gc's. Non union gcs build schools, strip malls, etc. I just think the quality would be better and there would be less headache. Less "I need a pay advance, went out got drunk and wrote a bunch of checks that i can't cover. Can you help me out?"

XanadooLTD

I do also agree with the point the bid needs to support the union though. There is a difference between 15 dollars an hour out the door and 50 dollars. I think that is where the auto companies went bad. A Honda costs just as much as the Chevrolet. Honda employees get 8 dollars an hour. GM 75. HMMMM?

ARI001

Framer,
Why are you on site at your computer instead of doing carpentry work? I'm sure the GC paying you $50.00 dollars an hour is just thrilled that you're wasting his money. I guess there is nothing you can find to do on site that isn't beneath you right now. So he can pay you $50.00 per hour to amuse yourself.

Xana,
You should not be advancing guys money because they are irresponsible with it. If I'm paying a guy $27.10 dollars an hour (the going rate in my area for an experienced carpenter supplying basic tools) plus benefits and he can't be responsible enough to budget his money that is his problem. If he doesn't show up for work because he blew all his money or is to hung over then he is unreliable. If he is unreliable then he is of no use to you and should be replaced.

The problem with the union guys is they want the top pay for the gravy work. Most have no motivation to meet any kind of real production standards. Why should they, the union (when and where it has power) guarantees them the same pay regardless. Most unions are little more then a legalized form of racketeering that try to bully people into doing what they want them to do. I've seen union operators refuse to grease the machines they are operating. They feel it is beneath them and that it is a laborer's job to do so. The laborer's not in charge of the equipment the operator is. Would expect your laborers to be responsible for maintenance on your saws and guns? I hope not.

That is the typical mentality I have seen when dealing with union guys. The hell with getting the job done. Pawn off as much work and responsibility onto someone else as possible. I'm not saying all are bad but the majority I have worked around and with do have that mentality. I don't have a problem with fair pay and fair treatment. I have a problem with better than you mentality and do only what I absolutely have to stand point, that is allowed to exist within unions. To many people out there want to get ahead and are willing to do what it takes to do so. Why work with the people who are not and expect the same rewards regardless of their outputs.

Tom Struble

alot of things they are probably not able to do because
they have union hole diggers or union maintenance people
not necessarily they don't want to or cant do it

you gotta be fair,i personal know some great union guys

but its not for me

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bwalley

Where do you come up with this crap???

ARI001

Average AUW base pay for automobile workers is $29 per hour. Average transplant (Honda, Toyota, etc.) is $26 per hour. What drives up the big cost difference $71.00 per hour AUW vs. $51 -$59per hour transplant is retiree benefit packages. Those are structures similar to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (and we all know how well these programs work). However most transplant workers recieve more pay than AUW workers because their companies profit more. They reward their employees with bonuses and other benefits in upwards of $8000 dollars per employee a year not accounted for in wage studies.

westernexplorer

Ronald Reagan is the one who stole all of the money from SS & Medicare to make his deficent spending seem smaller......and every President Democrat and Republican has followed suit.

He also, stole this money to try and backrupt those programs.....under the advice of Grover Norquiest......who talked about starving the beast of government.......When people who hate the government are running the government, they make sure it fails.......

This is why the Insurance companies are terrified of government option on Health Care.... UPS and FedEx do just fine competing againt the government run US Postal Service and they offer pretty good rates. Image if the US postal service went away.....do you think FedEx or UPS who let you mail a letter for .43 cents...... I don't think so...... The Health Insurance companies are a monopoly and don't compete with anyone and they are in colusion with each other.

BTW, The Governement use to work pretty good for the people of the US, until we started electing people who hate government...... Remember, it was to Government research money that found a cure for Polio......When has the private sector drug companies ever found a cure for anything.....but there happy to sell you lifetime maintaince drugs......

ARI001

I don't personally have a problem with capitalism. Most insurance companies are for profit and assign a value to your premium based on a risk factor. Is it a perfect system? No. Is socializing health care a good system? No. Look at health care in countries who have done this and you will quickly understand why.

If you don't like the people running the country vote them out of office. It's that simple. It was also the government research money that invented biologically modified viruses.

westernexplorer

I don't have a problem with profits either, that is what makes capitalism work. However, certain things don't work based on profit. The NeoCon's.....or better ConMen....would have you believe that everything works better with a profit motive......

There is a reason we don't privatize everything, my child. The police are government. If we turned it over to the private sector, not very many rapes, robbery's, or murders would get solved.....ie. no money in it. But I can sure image a hell of a lot of traffic citations being written. I can just see the CEO of the Police force telling his officer's screw those murders, were can have a very profitable year enforcing traffic laws.....and most of those people don't shot back.....

With every post you reveal how little you know, except for your Rush Limbaigh talking points......