To UNION Or Not To UNION

MZ-HANDYMAN

If you arent already union and using union workers... Stick with what works for you I'm a member of the OPEIU Local #227 Office & Professional...Aw "UNION PENCIL PUSHERS!" I got in the union solely to get access to union members as a Salesman.

They make good money (ON PAPER) but there are so many dues that they are worse off than someone on welfare. The only members that had nice houses were foremen or chapter leaders (Pres, vice pres...etc...)

Settle down I'll get to the point...

When you go to someones house who on paper makes $23 per hour and you are sitting on milk crates and the table is a cable spool... Something is just not right! They have too many fingers reaching in their pockets and when I went to their homes I was trying to stuff my fingers in there too. Thats why I left the INSURANCE BIZ. Don't get me wrong I went from a trainee to a MASTER GENERAL AGENT with 10 employees I got promoted and moved up to Fairview Heights Illinois within 4 months I worked right under the C.E.O. and was there to help him take over Il. and Mo. I was damned good at it and made some serious money at it, but I have a concience.

If you go Union, your guys have to be Union and when it's break time they break. quitting time they quit you treat them mean they walk off and tomorrow they come back you can't do squat.

I'll probably get bashed for Knocking the U but...Those in the U are stuck in the U. I guarantee none of the lower end U workers will even have internet access to back up what I say... those who bash me will probably be somewhere in the middle or top of their Union.
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OK i just went back up and read all the responses... Looks like the 2 defending the U are the most inarticulate morons who can't even spell simple words... Guess you don't have to be smart to be union. I admit sometimes I misspell words but it's due to typing too fast or typing in poor lighting but DAYUM! These guys need not to defend the U because they make it look worse than it looked before. Did I mention U members are bitter people?
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Simple enough...
DON'T FIX WHAT DON'T NEED FIXING!

ARI001

Right to work also means I don't have to give you an explanation for letting you go.

I never said right to work state meant right to have a job.

westernexplorer

ARI001,
You miss the point, when I want trash picked up, I hire a 12.00 dollar an hour guy. When I hire a 50.00 dollar an hour guy, he is not making me money, picking up trash......He makes me money, running a job...

Tom Struble

some of the best carpenters i know are union
some of the worst are union too

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Tom

JustaFramer

Then you better have carpentry work for me to do. Because unemployment pays 615 a week. Probably what your guys take home a week. You and I both know that is what you pay. Now take your trash with you through the same door you came through.

bwalley

Florida is a right to work state, that means I can fire people for any reason except, race, religion, sex, or sexual preference, if I don't like the way you smell or decide I just don't want you working for me I can fire you.

Can a non union worker get a job at a GM plant in Michigan?

Can GM Fire all of the lazy UAW workers and hire non union workers in its Michigan plants?

westernexplorer

Wrong again, I live in a closed shop state and I can fire anyone who works under me, without explanation. If they are union, I can still fire them..... for lack of production....

Would you like to try again......

JustaFramer

And I agree with you. Trust me the slugs are not respected amongst their coworkers.

ARI001

If there is work to be done you do it. You're missing the point; You are no good to me if all you do is stand around if there is other work to be done. If I tell dig footings by hand you better start digging. If I tell you pick up trash, you better start picking up trash. The point is whatever I tell you to do, you better do it or your gone. I don't care about your ego if its the end of the day and all that's left to do is pick up trash you better not be standing around telling the laborers to do it. You better be helping.

westernexplorer

Can we fire all those lazy, CEO's on wall street or the banks or GM..?....... We should be able too, since they have run those businesses into the ground at our expense. They are lazy, lying, low down crooks who demand JOB PROTECTION and Bonus Protection even though they do a poor job. But I guess when they get there free market (welfare) bailout checks, that is rewarding hard work...... But when workers want a piece of the action, it's some how a sin.....

bwalley

Typical of a Union worker, if they think work is beneath them, they will sit at home on their lazy ass collecting unemployment, instead of working.

You just showed why not to hire union workers.

Tom Struble

why would you want an electrician to clean up or dig a hole?

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Tom

ARI001

Then they strike and shut your job down. You can request different guys but ultimately it's up to the union to comply. I know how it works. I've worked in union controlled areas before. You take the bad with the good.

MZ-HANDYMAN

Heres an old saying I just made up...

If you have to tell me how good you are... You aren't that good!

My work speaks for itself.

ARI001

If that's all there is to do why are you unwilling to do it? Your being paid the same rate. Again your missing the point. I'm the one writing the check you do what I tell you.

Tom Struble

ok got it

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Tom

westernexplorer

I don't care what you say, that is why I don't work for you, but I'm always happy to take work AWAY from you. You know what I did, several electrical contractors I worked for had ideas just like you. I took there customer's away from them, and put them on the unemployment line....... One of them even applied to work for me......I said, I will think about it....

I believe in making money, without being a prick......but have it your way.

bwalley

So because the CEO's are slackers and put companies out of business, it is OK for a union to do the same?

Why are non union auto plants in the US, in better financial shape than the UAW auto plants?

The steel union sure did a lot of good for the US steel mills didn't they?

Patco, great move

Eastern Airlines Pilots union, great move

The Teamsters really showed UPS didn't they?

I know a guy who is in a Union in Florida he is an oiler for a Crane company, and he is learning how to operate a crane, he tries his best to keep a job and yet he is always getting laid off, but he is so hard core about being in a Union he won't even consider a non union job, yet his family suffers because of it.

ARI001

You would not have lasted one day with me. I don't care for guys that are lazy and think they are better than everyone else. A typical symptom of a lot of union workers. I believe in making money to. I don't believe in someone standing around watching other guys work. Just because you have a higher skill set does not mean you get to stand around. You do that your costing me money.

How do you run a business and not get the basic point here. It's not about your pay rate and skill set, it's about you telling the guy who PAYS you what you will and will not do. Business is about risk. I took a risk to open a business not you. You work for me because you where unwilling to take that risk. You do what I tell you because I told you to do it and I sign your check. Plain and simple.

westernexplorer

Because he lives in a Anti-Union State, your friend suffers.......