To UNION Or Not To UNION

bwalley

Because I have taught many people to do what I do.

I am a hands on contractor and work with my guys and show them how I want it done, and explain to them why and also let them know what the applicable code is.

westernexplorer

Bret, the State of Florida, Department of Business and Professional Regulation, says you DON"T have a Plumbing License. You only have a LIMITED A/C contractors license and Building contractor license. You can't even build a building over 3 stories......

JustaFramer

I don't know or care what some one would do if a union member. I know enough as a carpenter that I would not pick up trash or do laborer work. It's a respect thing. Not so much a trade thing but a self respect thing. Would I pick up the mess I make sure do every day. Would I do it for someone else. Hell no.

I already know that by your gay scenario that my pay scale out pays me that your guy. Why because my 50 dollars a hour would not be wasted by site clean up.

Tell your guy to get a clue. I make more a hour than him and if you actually paid me what I make then you would not want me to do laborer work either.

JustaFramer

Oh snap bitch can't even go over 3 stories. You are just a little boy with big dreams.
Not that I fault you it's just that you go about it all wrong.

bwalley

I have a Certified Building Contractors License and a Certified A/C (B) Up to twenty five tons single unit, you can also see where I took the Plumbing Contractors exam, I am waiting for the state to issue that license number, I have met all of the requirements for licensing.

I can do structural work in 3 stories or less on commercial, but can do any other commercial work such as buildouts, no matter how tall the building is.

What kind of license do you have and from what state?

bwalley

What kind of framing do you do that is over 3 stories?

I Didn't realize they did high rise out of wood.

Do you even have a license, or do you have to work under someone elses?

Astrix

I suppose I really am not qualified to comment in this thread because I work in a white-collar office and there's no union.

However, I do have a union story that happened to my husband, a drywaller, years ago that still leaves a bad taste in his mouth whereby he likes to quote: "Union = 5 letter word; Mafia = 5 letter word."

We have a GC friend who lives in another city about 250 km from our city. GC had the opportunity to quote a store install at a mall in our city. My husband hustled to get him to bid the job with the hook that GC could trust him to run the job locally and save GC time and money commuting every other day to supervise. GC was low bidder in part because of this savings. My husband was a member of the local carpenters/drywallers union and GC agrees to use union workers on his jobs, so job turns into a union job when GC was awarded the bid.

When it comes time to start the job, the union says my husband can't work it because the jobs go to the guys on the top of the list. So guys who sat around for weeks waiting till their names moved up the list got to work the job, and my husband was shut out because he had just come off of another job and was near the bottom of the list at that point in time. Needless to say, GC friend was pissed because now he didn't have a trusted guy to supervise and had extra costs to commute to the jobsite.

I think that if someone hustles to work harder and more often, they shouldn't be penalized by having to give away work to those who just sit around and wait for a job to be handed to them.

bwalley

My guys clean up their own mess and when they need to will help the laborer's, instead of standing around doing nothing.

All of the subs are expected to clean up their own mess.

You must be a good framer if you get paid $50 an hour.

I suspect that you don't actually get paid $50 an hour, that most likely includes the labor burden, insurance and other expenses, but I am sure it makes you feel good to think you get paid $50 an hour.

westernexplorer

I hold Unlimited Electrical Contractor's License's in Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Texas, California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho & Connecticut.

Not to brag, but I do one thing and I do it very well. I never wanted to be a jack of all trades, master of none..........and yes, I am a Union Electrician and I'm paid very well.......

bwalley

What is your Florida License Number?

westernexplorer

The fact that I accuratlly described exactly what license you have and the scope of those license's should tell you, I know what I'm talking about........ The fact is, based on your own statements you have limited knowledge of serious construction projects. I do not claim to know anything about Structural, Mechanical or Plumbing, except basic stuff that any tradesman picks up over years on construction projects. The key is, I DON"T NEED TO KNOW.....because I'm a Master of My trade Electrical Trade...... I have worked on projects from 60 story high rise buildings to Nuclear Power Plants, You should stick to the little TI work......

bwalley

I guess that means you are a wannabe.

westernexplorer

Your not worth the time, Bret... jack of all trades.......

bwalley

You can't even come up with a friends license number I guess, what a shame.

If you are so good at what you do, why do you claim to be licensed in 9 states, is it because you can't get enough work in 1 state?

I have succesfully passed 3 state certified contractors exams in the state of Florida on the 1st attempt, it proves I know what I am doing, I don't hide behind a computer keyboard claiming to have a bunch of licenses in multiple states.

JustaFramer

Really Wanna Bwalley. No really I get paid 50 dollars a hour. Sure 15 of it is a benefit package. And that is truely what I work for. The healthcare/dental/optical and retirement.

Again I told you I don't frame structrual anymore. I go vertical with structural concrete.

I will have to concur with your lack of respect you are truely just a small swinger over compensating.

ARI001

Then your entire argument is worthless. The union holds no power in a right to work state. If you don't perform you will be fired-no explanation necessary. The union has no power. You pay union dues for no reason. Essentially you work for a temp agency. If you are a good carpenter you would receive the going rate in your area regardless of whether or not you are union.

JustaFramer

Really know your own area before you comment on mine. The top payers and best contractors to work for are union. Funny how that works with out these bogus story's of being forced to hire a slug. No quality contractor is forced to hire anyone. They get to hire and fire till then get the cream of the crop.
By your theory only 1 in 100 contractors pay what the union big time contractor pays.

ARI001

Framer,
Consequently if I am paying you $50.00 an hour or whatever and I tell you to help the laborers pick up trash you better do it. I'm not paying you to stand around. I'm paying you to work. I don't care if you think it's below you or not. It boils down to I'm the one signing your paycheck. Do what I tell you or hit the unemployment line.

westernexplorer

You don't even know what "RIGHT TO WORK" means. You have been listening to right wing radio to long........ Right to work laws, have NOTHING to do with having a right to have a job. NO STATE in America has a "right to have a job law".

Right to work, means the right to work union or non-union for the same employer, without paying union dues........

ARI001

Framer,
It would also help if you would learn to articulate your wordings.