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The chinese are a much bigger problem. There 150 million russians. Their population is aging and actually shrinking. Theres 1.3 billion chinese and they lifted their one child policy two years ago. Having the best weapons is good, but having production capacity has won all great power wars since the american civil war.

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The People’s Liberation Army Ground Forces (China)

China’s Army—officially the People’s Liberation Army Ground Forces (PLAGF)— is the largest army in Asia. Numbering 1.6 million active duty troops, the PLAGF is charged with securing China’s borders, providing a capability to project land power in China’s neighborhood and increasingly, on a global scale.

The 1991 Persian Gulf War, in which the United States and its coalition allies made short work of a larger Iraqi Army shocked the PLAGF leadership. The Chinese Army’s traditional reliance on manpower had clearly been negated by advances in technology.

As a result, the Chinese Army has undergone significant changes in the past two decades. Active manpower has been slashed by several million troops. The number of field armies and combat divisions has been dramatically cut. At the same time, China’s rapid economic growth has allowed it to rapidly increase defense spending, funding high-tech upgrades.

Although the PLAGF lags behind China’s naval and air forces in priority, it has introduced a number of modern weapons systems. The Type 99 series of tanks has undergone several major revisions in the past decade, as the Chinese Army seeks to deploy a tank on par with the American M1 Abrams. The WZ-10, China’s first real attack helicopter, has begun to enter service. Despite the influx of new equipment, the PLAGF still counts vast amounts of obsolete equipment, such as Type 59 tanks in its active-duty inventories. Full modernization will take at least another decade, and possibly two, as the Chinese economy slows.
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The germans and the japanese thought that superior equipment and tactics would win the war. The both had superior tech, tanks and aircraft at the out set. But american production, and russian cannon fodder was their undoing.

But my most important observation is that wars are not started to take from the enemy. The enemy is created so that a countrys leaders can weild absolute power indefinitely.

Please read this quote from Herman Goring.

http://www.elise.com/quotes/hermann_...of_the_leaders


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http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1393155

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Ao the true danger that the world faces now is that there are three fascist dictators controlling the three most powerful nations. Russia, china and america.

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Its inherently unstable. And the leader we just elected has seemingly no comprension of the balance of power and what happens when it is disrupted.

Read kissingers On Diplomacy if youd like to catch my drift.

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The Russian T-34 tank is widely regarded as one the best all around tanks in WWII.

A landmark in tank history

The T-34 was and remains a legend. It is not only the most produced tank of the WWII-era, with 84,000 built (compared to the 48,966 Shermans of all versions) but also one of the longest-serving tanks ever built. Many are still stored in depots in Asia and Africa, and some served actively during the 90’s (such as during the 1991-99 Yugoslavian war). They formed the backbone of countless armored forces around the globe from the fifties to the eighties. The basic design was drawn for the first time in 1938 with the A-32, in turn partially derived from the BT-7M, a late evolution of the US-born Christie tank.
The first version of the T-34/76 came as a nasty surprise for the overconfident German troops in the fall of 1941, when it was first committed en masse. Not only were they able to cope with the mud and snow with their large tracks, but they came with a perfect combination of thick and highly sloped armor, efficient gun, good speed, autonomy and, above all, extreme sturdiness, reliability, ease of manufacturing and maintenance. A perfect winner for an industrial war and a significant leap in tank design. While the T-34 did have a number of deficiencies, the T-34’s influence on the future designs and the concept of the main battle tank is unquestionable.

The sloped armor was a good solution to deflect most hits while not relying on excessive thickness. First encounters in July 1941 proved that no German tank was able to reliably score a penetration. To the disappointment of the enemy officers, their shots simply bounced off these well-armored machines. The need for a more powerful gun, with very high velocity, was the origin of the Panther design (Panzer V).

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The germans and the japanese thought that superior equipment and tactics would win the war. The both had superior tech, tanks and aircraft at the out set. But american production, and russian cannon fodder was their undoing.

But my most important observation is that wars are not started to take from the enemy. The enemy is created so that a countrys leaders can weild absolute power indefinitely.

Please read this quote from Herman Goring.

http://www.elise.com/quotes/hermann_...of_the_leaders


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How'd that tech end for Japan?
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Fighting robots and AI tied together, bots trained to fight alone and in wolf packs, with adaptability capabilities, is the brave new world of future wars, listened to a fascinating and chilling account of what to expect in the next few decades.
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Fighting robots and AI tied together, bots trained to fight alone and in wolf packs, with adaptability capabilities, is the brave new world of future wars, listened to a fascinating and chilling account of what to expect in the next few decades.


Yep the future of fighting is not going to be large armies of human's.
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How'd that tech end for Japan?

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The Germans never developed a 4 engine bomber.
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How'd that tech end for Japan?
Thats my whole point. Technology is good for initial conditions. But production becomes more important due to attrition of equipment and personnel.

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Fighting robots and AI tied together, bots trained to fight alone and in wolf packs, with adaptability capabilities, is the brave new world of future wars, listened to a fascinating and chilling account of what to expect in the next few decades.
Totally agree. When the systems of warfare change it incentivizes rapid development and implementation. Ie an arms race.



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The germans and the japanese thought that superior equipment and tactics would win the war. The both had superior tech, tanks and aircraft at the out set. But american production, and russian cannon fodder was their undoing.
Actually it was technology that took out Japan and would've eventually ended the war in Germany as well if the Russians hadn't entered the war.
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The Germans never developed a 4 engine bomber.
They were focused on diving bombers, but they still had 4 engine bombers.

FW200 had 4, the HE177 could support 4 but they only put on 2 so it would be capable of dive bombing. JU290 was going a passenger 4 engine that was going to be used as a bomber but never was outfitted fully.

They had big plans for a bomber that could reach the US but they never materialized. The JU390 didn't get to see action but it had 6 engines. AR234 was a jet bomber with 4. A number of other prototypes were built and planned but they didn't materialize in time.
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Actually it was technology that took out Japan and would've eventually ended the war in Germany as well if the Russians hadn't entered the war.
If the Russians hadn't entered the war against Germany it's very likely Germany would have won the war but they really didn't have a choice as it was Hitler who violated their vile pact and launched Operation Barbarossa which, it it hadn't been for Hitler butting in so much and had the weather been more cooperative, might have been a success.

The West was very fortunate to prevail against the Axis powers, notably Germany, which say what one will about, was and is an amazing industrial power.

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