Mold Growth On Framing?

jhark123

Hello all,
I am the GC on this house and also the Framer. This house is in Western Washington and, as the lot gets absolutly no sun throughout the day, the framing has been wet since I started framing in early October. The house will be roofed this week.

There is minimal mold on the regular framing lumber, however there is significant mold on the underside of the osb subfloor. I feel that this is equivilent to an act of nature, the same as a tree falling through the house. However the HO asked me to pay half of any mold abatment costs . I refused, stating that I cannot control the weather, the sunlight (or lack of) that the home is exposed to or the mold spores that naturally occur in the air. Now I am wondering if I will be paid in full at the end of the month.

Has anyone delt with this issue before?

MALCO.New.York

Who purchased the lot?


Who drew the plans?


Who signed on the line?


Who built their Hopes and Dreams in the wettest Climate in the Continental US of A?



Nuff said?

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precisionbuild

Mold remediation is not hard or expensive. Do it yourself.

smadax

Makes sense to me!

There are products that we use on old decks before we repaint, it's like an organic bleach specifically for wood products and it safely cleans all residue and mold. Fairly inexpensive because it's diluted in lots of water and works great, with little effort to apply.

jhark123

The rain makes framing fun

Blast&Coat

Tell him it will cost 2grand, let him pay you 1000 then go buy the cleaning stuff for 150 bucks do it yourself and make some more money if he is gonna be like that.

MALCO.New.York

I was close..........as per the wetness!!!!


As I said .........Nuff said?


and I do agree......Split the 'Cost" and do it yerself! At a MASSIVE Profit!

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Msargent

Power washer rental 50 bucks 5 gal empty pail free, 1 gal bleach, 1 box tsp, simple green 12 bucks. day to do it your self or crew or hire local painter to pwr wash done.GL

jhark123

I am thinking this is a good way to go, anybody have any products you have used with success?

olyteddy

That sounds like a good recipe to me. Cheaper than the '30 Second Cleaner' stuff they advertise, and pretty much the same ingredients.

rewrew87

Yeah man... he wants to screw you, so just turn it around on him. Do it yourself for cheap and charge him up the whazoo!

Bodger

I have framed with 2 x 6 D.F. that came straight out of the lumberyard with black mold on it. Should that be mitigated too before the walls are closed?

Amnd for the original question, hey, you didn't do anything to cause that mold, or create the condition that did cause it. What, if thee's an avalanche tha's your problem too?

I like the $2000 split to $1000, actual cost $150 formula.
F 'em.

parts

Do it yourself yeah take on that lawsuit alone heck your insurance company probably won't back you up unless mold remediation is in your policy. And yes they ask me every year when I renew

pcplumber

http://www.moldinspector.com/mold-lu...rd-victory.htm

This is a link to a case settled for $22 million for mold on new lumber.

We do mold restoration and what you think is not important. It is what the jury thinks.

I think most mold remediation companies are crooks, but you can get sued for $millions by trying to avoid these crooks. You create your problem when you do not use the protocol that these crooks schemed and devised only so you better use them or get sued .

This is what will happen. You touch the mold without using the phony baloney protocol, equipment, containment, etc., and you will be sued for spreading mold and cross-contamination. You may be even sued by neighbors for spreading mold spores to their homes. Your customer is going to go brain-dead due to mold that is harmless and he won't be able to function sexually. You are going to have a hard time proving that he can and you may not be able to prove that he was impotent before you installed the lumber.

It is a Catch-22. This is what I would do. Find a company that sprays new construction with a mold inhibitor. Maybe you have seen their ads. They usually give something like a 10 or 25 year guarantee. Can't remember.

Here is the better part. Sell this treatment to your customer as a treatment and not as a cure. If the customer refuses to pay for the treatment, tell the customer that you must document your recommendation. This will help to protect you if your customer refuses your recommendation.

Drop the ball in the customer's lap, pass the liability to the treatment company, and mark up the treatment for a great profit.

CYA - Get everything is writing. Document everything you do. Take pictures. Make the customer accountable for their decisions. Get signatures, or don't do anything until you do get the problem resolved and a signature.

Balian

Did you explain to the owner, that by framing in the winter time, you run the risk of something like this? Mold, warped wood etc.

If not, write it into the next contract, and have the owner initial/sign right beside the waiver.

72chevy4x4

look into a product called Shockwave for treating the mold. It's diluted and sprayed. Use a HEPA vacuum to remove the mold.

72chevy4x4

it is highly recommended to remove the neutralized mold-killing it is not enough. Hence, the vacuuming part is important!

pcplumber

I went to to Super Duper a large supplier of mold remediation equipment and they said there is no such animal as a HEPA vacuum. They told me to get a Shop Vac and buy a HEPA filter at Home Depot. Is there a vacuum made specifically for mold that has a better design?

MALCO.New.York

There is no such Animal.

High Efficiency Particulate Air (filter) describes the Filtering Media.........NOT the sucking device!!! (.3 Micrometers...or...0.3 μm)

Not unlike HEGA.




As for the Sucker...........Look in to a "Bio-Hazard" unit!

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pcplumber

Thank you very much.