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Old 03-08-2018, 03:18 PM   #1
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How long is your contract?

I just got my cost plus contract revised/improved and it's 12 pages long before i add specs and designs.

Is that too long? Have you had problems with scaring off customers with a contract that is too long?
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Old 03-08-2018, 03:24 PM   #2
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2 pages plus $25,000 per additional page.
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Depends on the job size.

Usually, you have the 1st page with names and description.
2. Followed by the scope of work pages. (depends on the job size will dictate # of pages)
3. Clause usually one page
4. Warranty description, completion date.
5. Payment schedule and signatures.
6. Legal notice for 3-day guaranteed deposit back description and customer signature of acknowledgment and a waiver option with another signature.

That's about it, simple and to the point.
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These days my plans are so detailed the contract is shorter and states "build per plans" then has the usual warranty, allowances, legal clauses and such.
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3 pages for boilerplate and usually 3 pages of addendums for demolition work and concrete work but depends on job size.

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Depends on the job size.

Usually, you have the 1st page with names and description.
2. Followed by the scope of work pages. (depends on the job size will dictate # of pages)
3. Clause usually one page
4. Warranty description, completion date.
5. Payment schedule and signatures.
6. Legal notice for 3-day guaranteed deposit back description and customer signature of acknowledgment and a waiver option with another signature.

That's about it, simple and to the point.
This for residential work.
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Most of my work is done on a handshake of I will do what I said I will and you will pay what is owing at the end.

I know I should draft something and get signatures and what not but I'm lazy.

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Most of my work is done on a handshake of I will do what I said I will and you will pay what is owing at the end.

I know I should draft something and get signatures and what not but I'm lazy.

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That is a recipe for disaster.


Yea I agree, on a smaller job a simple hand written contract with scope of work, materials, price, payment terms, and both parties signatures goes a long way to prevent misunderstandings.


The kind of misunderstandings that start with oh I thought you said that the price was (half) of that! Or I thought you said that included a new tile floor as well....


To answer your question for a small job ie, chimney repair etc, i use a one-page contract with general provisions and legal stuff on the back. Its a carbon copy so we both get a copy

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Can be, on bigger jobs. I've been doing 2 hr to 2 week jobs on a handshake for about 10 years and haven't gotten burned yet.

To be fair, those are about 90% repeat clients and others in their circles.

A complete unknown, or he smells wrong, it goes on paper.
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Can be, on bigger jobs. I've been doing 2 hr to 2 week jobs on a handshake for about 10 years and haven't gotten burned yet.

To be fair, those are about 90% repeat clients and others in their circles.

A complete unknown, or he smells wrong, it goes on paper.
I wasn't referencing anything specific, just that it can spell disaster. I do small jobs all of the time without a contract. Doing all of your business without one is a huge mistake. Contracts aren't about getting burned, but more about spelling out responsibilities. Is this included? What does the contract state? That kind of thing.

Clients that are familiar and friendly (meaning a relationship is established) outlining specifics on smaller projects is much easier and because there is trust, there is rarely a dispute.
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I just got my cost plus contract revised/improved and it's 12 pages long before i add specs and designs.

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Twelve pages (before specs and design) is nuts. Not counting the specs, the scope of work or plans, ours is five pages (six if you count the Right of Recession). Page one is Definitions, pages 2, 3 and 4 are General Terms and Conditions and the last page is Warranty.

Everything else is handled in the Detailed Proposal (scope, payment terms, schedule, plans, specs, etc.).

I dont count the Right of Recession because we have been advised that it cannot be attached to the other paperwork. It must be presented as a single standalone document.

Once we add the job-specific Detailed proposal to the package, it can go 12 20 pages.

12 pages of contract would scare the help out of me as a customer.
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I do my bigger stuff on paper got a nursing home coming up at the end of the month it is all on paper with scope of work hours to be worked pricing and all.

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Twelve pages (before specs and design) is nuts. Not counting the specs, the scope of work or plans, ours is five pages (six if you count the Right of Recession). Page one is Definitions, pages 2, 3 and 4 are General Terms and Conditions and the last page is Warranty.

Everything else is handled in the Detailed Proposal (scope, payment terms, schedule, plans, specs, etc.).

I dont count the Right of Recession because we have been advised that it cannot be attached to the other paperwork. It must be presented as a single standalone document.

Once we add the job-specific Detailed proposal to the package, it can go 12 20 pages.

12 pages of contract would scare the help out of me as a customer.
Mine is 7 without the ROR. I include it at the end of the contract, but when it's printed it's separate documents. My SOW is 2-3 Pages and then there are selection documentation. Plumbing selection can be 4-5 pages alone.
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Why would plumbing selections need 4-5 pages?

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