Hiring Illegals

ConcreteGuy

This issue has been quieted lately by headlines about Iraq, Iran and Israel, but it will arise in the upcoming mid-term Congressional election.

Have any of you noticed the increasing rhetoric against employers who hire illegals with the presumption that the employer disobeyed the law?

What I see on TV, hear on the radio and read in the paper is that the public is overreacting and blaming employers for the illegal immigration problem. None of them understand that an employer who follows the law in hiring may have illegals working for them despite their honest practices.

My concern is that law abiding employers are at risk for punitive action because of this hype. Make sure that you have filled out all the necessary forms and comply with hiring regulations. And stay informed about Congressional activities impacting our industry. Get involved in the process even if it only means that you vote, but also write to your congressmen and senators. Write a letter to your newspaper editor. Join and/or take an active role in your trade organization. Be advised, informed and active in promoting and protecting our industry.

I am not pro-illegal immigration.
I am pro-construction.

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dayspring

I don't hire 'em (illegals) myself. If they have the proper papers, I would.

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joasis

I will also not hire illegals, but then again, if they have the documents..they are legal, but are they? One of my lead guys is a native born Hispanic...and I rely on him to determine whether they are truly legal...of course, a tip off is their English isn't even good enough to ask for a job...

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Mike Finley

I see that as a fantastic sign that we are finally moving in the right direction. I have alwasys believed the simplest, most effective and least expensive solution is simply to dry up the reason for illegals to come here. The public reacting or even over reacting toward employers is great, it means that there is likely hood that as the focus finally shifts toward putting the onus on the employer that political representatives will actually have to move in the same direction in order to represent their constituents or risk alienating them.


There may be a shake out period and some collateral damage, but eventually it will be like all other risks, the same as risks you face in running the maze of workers comp or the IRS for your taxes.

Woz the Painter

IF they can't F-in speak English, don't hire the mother F-ers, simple as that, a no brainer....

slickshift

They are breaking the law
A local town just passed a new law re-affirming that with a $1K fine for those that do
I agree with it

If a liquor store employee sells booze to a minor, they are still responsible if the minor has a fake ID

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FCPWLLC

If the prospected employee accepts a lower-than-living-wage, then they might be an illegal. If you notice that you're able to bid lower and are closing a larger amount of your bids, then you might be hiring illegals.

Legal or illegal, if a worker can't speak english, then they probably aren't the best candidate for employment. Hire the guy that wanted a few more dollars an hour and you will be getting more work and less time trying to communicate with a non-english speaker.

We constantly tell customers and clients when trying to close a sale, that "You get what you pay for". Same thing goes when hiring employees.

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ConcreteGuy

okay...who benefits from a labor shortage? You maybe? I think you are greedy.

For Dayspring, they have the proper papers. (you have no obligation to research, therefore legal)

For Joasis, your lead guy may be illegal. (you have no idea)

For Mike Finley, you are looking for a jack in your personal income. (you want increased demand for labor to line your own pockets)

For Woz the Painter, you don't need the F'n help...not yet. (just wait and see as US birth rates continue to drop and labor supply continues to diminish, doh, except for that's good because you can finally get rich sniffin paint, lol)

For Slickshift, you cry "lawbreakers!" yet your government has permitted it. (the W-7 form, for example)

For FCPWLLC, you presume they work for peanuts. (not so, once they figure out market forces)

You are all wrong. And you all live in a fantasy world.

The biggest deception and rip-off to American taxpayers is small contractors, like yourselves, who 1099 subcontracted labor to illegals. And businesses who hire legitimately, yet allow ridiculous withholding like 6 dependents for a twenty year old, are just as guilty.

Don't give me your self sanctimonious rants against modern day invasions like the Irish endured. None of you respondents seem to grasp anything about economics and simple market forces except to greedily eye the possibility that your services will be in greater demand. Your beef is with the government of the United States of America, not me. They, which is you and me in a democracy, have been outright allowing this migration from Mexico for years and you know it. It was funny and okay like the stuff we bought that said "Made in Japan" in years past, and today laugh about stuff "Made in China". You just can't stand the thought of "Built by Mexicans", can you?

Well who in the hell you got to do the work? Your kids? Not my kids. Well then, whose kids? Or worse still, what kids? So what are you going to do to satisfy the demands of our economy and its need for workers? Make babies or get rich? I think I see your point of view.

I think you understand the problem and are drooling over the prospect of personal aggrandizement by denying opportunities for so called "illegals" permitted to come here by your government.

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Mike Finley

Concrete guy, I don't want illegals here. We can spend 3.5 billion on a wall, increase the border patrols budget to 800 million, spend another 2-3 billion here and there and in 10 years there will be even more illegals here then there are now.

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We can spend about 10 million on beefing up the enforcement and prosecution of employers who knowingly hire illegals. In 18 months the illegals here would start shrinking, in 5 years we would be wondering what all the fuss was about. We wouldn't even need a border patrol anymore unless we wanted to do a courtesy shuttle to help the Mexicans on their way through the United States on their way to Canada.

Mike Finley

No, I just want the illegals gone instead of us doing more of the same that has been going on for the last 20 years, they are getting to a tipping point and I'd rathers seem them gone.

joasis

Nope...born here and started school with my son in kindergarten.....now his dad has a green card and let it expire..nearly got deported.

We just got a letter from the state employment office that says something about confirming SS numbers on new hires, or face penalties. Probably a good deal...funny thing is, the only SS number we had flagged was from an ex employee who was hiding a felony conviction.

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reveivl

"...on their way through the United States on their way to Canada."

Hey, you leave us out of this!

Concreteguy, you say you are not pro-illegal immigration, you are pro-construction. Everyone who replied to you was in the same position, why did you react so negatively to their comments?

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NSolano

maybe it was because they seemed to act like they could handle all this construction work without illegals. Just go look around to all the new construction sites, whether they are big buildings or family residences. Most of the work forces is hispanic, and believe me most of them are not legal. They give you documents that look legal and get hired. No one really has the time to go out and research whether the documents are real or not. Sometimes I do wonder who will do all this work without illegals, I don't see any caucasians or african americans lining up on the streets looking for construction jobs.

Mike Finley

Don't worry about it Nsolano, housing starts are way down, the crunch is over except for isolated pockets.

dougchips

http://www.killsometime.com/video/video.asp?ID=184 a little off topic, but this guy has a way with illegals

R&S Exteriors

I'd like to see your stats and evidence on that.

I am sure, if you care to research it, you will find that the BIG construction Corporations hire the vast amount of illegals and they also spend BIG money lobby politicians to make sure our borders are not secured.

cssconstruct

My only problem with them is the tax issue. I have no problem with somebody wanting to work, but they should have to pay the same income and payroll taxes that you and I do.

oldgoat

My BIL used to work for a large paving company here and said that when it started warming up the Mexicans would show up for work. Whenever anybody that even looked like they might be immigration showed up they would dissappear. When the cold weather came they would leave. He couldn't prove that they were illegal but the signs were there. I think the law has to prove that a company knowingly hired an illegal. If they do their paperwork right then I would say they are probably covered.

Cuz

Fine and Jail the Employers,Landlord, and Declare English as the Primary Language in all Cities.

mdshunk

I'd hire an illegal in a heartbeat and pay him what an electrician rightfully ought to make, but there aren't any illegal alien electricians in my labor market, as far as I can tell.

Why should it be illegal for a man to make a living?