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Old 10-31-2017, 08:41 PM   #1
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what would be a fair price to pay a new 15 year old kid helping me with no experience per square foot on vinyl siding? thanks for your help
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:54 PM   #2
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Why not just pay him hourly since he has no control over how much siding you put up?


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Yup, an hourly wage ranging from minimum wage to $500/hour...I tend to think a 15 year old making $501/hour seems steep to me.

That said, I'd be checking into what they can 'legally' do as a 15 year old as well...but I do admire kids who work young!
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I would start by asking him what he feels he should make and why.

Then give him a number you feel he should make.

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Unless they are family you probably cannot employ them.
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Seems fair to pay the kid the same as an older person. I never pay a person based on their age or experience. I pay based on production and quality. If the kid can do a good job and nail down twice as much siding as an older worker then what is the problem with paying him twice as much. If you look at it backwards, the older person doing half as much as a 15-year old should lose his job and get replaced with the kid. Don't short him because of his age. I would pay as much as possible to get him excited, motivated and want to work all the time. The downside I've seen with kids making a lot of money is bad kids waste the money on stupid things and they can afford to buy the good drugs. it is not good to play god with your money and make choices to pay someone less because you don't know what they will do with the money because there are good kids, too. The least I would pay is minimum wage plus a few dollars. If the kid is good and you pay him well you will be doing him a great service if the kid can tuck some money away and you get all teared up when he goes to college.
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Under the child labor laws, both federal and Indiana you cannot higher the 15 year old.

Here is line 12 of the hazardous classification of the Child Labor Laws, a 15 or 16 year old cannot work in a hazardous classified occupation.

ALL WORK REQUIRING THE USE OF LADDERS, SCAFFOLDS, OR THEIR SUBSTITUTES.

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Under the child labor laws, both federal and Indiana you cannot higher the 15 year old.

Here is line 12 of the hazardous classification of the Child Labor Laws, a 15 or 16 year old cannot work in a hazardous classified occupation.

ALL WORK REQUIRING THE USE OF LADDERS, SCAFFOLDS, OR THEIR SUBSTITUTES.

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But, maybe okay to do the work he can reach from a 2-foot step stool. If the kid is 6 feet tall he can reach to below the eaves, but probably not legal to use a nail gun.
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I usually don't pay kids at all my van with 'Free Candy" painted on the side attracts them, I let them help me for a little while then they disappear.
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I usually don't pay kids at all my van with 'Free Candy" painted on the side attracts them, I let them help me for a little while then they disappear.
You are scaring me!
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Under the child labor laws, both federal and Indiana you cannot higher the 15 year old.

Here is line 12 of the hazardous classification of the Child Labor Laws, a 15 or 16 year old cannot work in a hazardous classified occupation.

ALL WORK REQUIRING THE USE OF LADDERS, SCAFFOLDS, OR THEIR SUBSTITUTES.

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I think if they are family they can, but it has to be family owned and not in manufacturing, mining and jobs that require you to be 18 (selling cigarettes and such).
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But, maybe okay to do the work he can reach from a 2-foot step stool. If the kid is 6 feet tall he can reach to below the eaves, but probably not legal to use a nail gun.
Siding requires ladders. It makes no mention of exemptions for reach.

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I think if they are family they can, but it has to be family owned and not in manufacturing, mining and jobs that require you to be 18 (selling cigarettes and such).
There is a section that covers 14 & 15 year olds. Construction is out, even if it is family.

https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/complia...or101_text.htm

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There is a section that covers 14 & 15 year olds. Construction is out, even if it is family.

https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/complia...or101_text.htm

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I don't see where it says anything about family own construction.
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I don't see where it says anything about family own construction.
Construction is listed as hazardous (#19 in the list).

Below is the section title, below that is the second statement in that section.

"Exemptions from the Child Labor Provisions of the FLSA"

"Children under 16 years of age employed by their parents in occupations other than manufacturing or mining, or occupations declared hazardous by the Secretary of Labor."

The key point here is he mentioned the person is 15.

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Geez, a fifteen year old canít put up siding? No wonder kids are weenies these days. I was a veteran at vinyl siding at fifteen, and on crappy floppy wooden stepladders as I recall...


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what would be a fair price to pay a new 15 year old kid helping me with no experience per square foot on vinyl siding? thanks for your help
Just pay the kid cash and don't tell anyone... It happens all the time here.
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Geez, a fifteen year old can’t put up siding? No wonder kids are weenies these days. I was a veteran at vinyl siding at fifteen, and on crappy floppy wooden stepladders as I recall...

Exactly !!!!
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Sure they can--just don't ask about it on the internet.

Our oldest daughters was installing soffit and fascia at 13.

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