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Ilegals here in CO work for $10-15, some are good, some suck.

IMO, the best place to find good help is from a younger guy who finished a trade school. I attended a carpentry trade school at a vocation college (back in1982) a two year college that was pretty much all hands-on with a few hours per day in a classroom. Good school. When I finished it was a big feather in my cap when I went job searching.

One, If a guy attended a 2 year school you know he has an interest in a career (most likely). "Being interested and having a passion is a big plus in my books.

Two, you can pretty much bet the guy wants to learn and you can guide him through the way you'd like to have him do things (without being a total nazi about it)

Roll the dice and pay the guy a better than decent wage to bring him on board then throw him raises as he improves. Let him know this the day you hire him. The more he can do and the better he gets at it, the more dough he'll make.

The trouble is finding these guys. Maybe scour the trade schools and get some of the students just finishing up. IMO, some of the best guys are the younger ones who are "teachable" but still know enough of the basics so you don't have to hold their hand....or crack the whip on them.

And for us old farts, there are still some older guys with experience who can step in and get things done. But (like me) they are less productive...but their overall knowledge often overrides that. A good problem solver on the worksite is priceless.

But what I see these days are way too many employers and contractors wanting Grunts. They dish out low wages and expect inexperienced guys to do bull-work AND precision work, dangle off ladders and roofs and work outrageous hours. And all for 12-15 bucks an hour ! A perfect attraction for the drunks and druggies to work a week (screw stuff up) and then quit. And the cycle continues.

I tend to think the construction labor force as a whole is underpaid but OTOH the workers are not what they used to be. I think the same for auto mechanics as they aren't paid enough for what they have to do. And yeah the good ones are locked into a nice steady, good paying gig but there's always new ones out there floating around. I can tell by watching a new worker for 3-4 days how good he really is. Or if they have the potential to be good (interest and passion).

Funny story, yesterday, I saw two 20 year olds (workers at Home Depot) carrying tiles. They had to move them for the aisles, reband them and re-stock them. They were 12x12 tiles in 11-12 count maybe. One guy grabbed one end of the stack and the other guy had the other end. Two guys to carry a stack of tiles ??? as they shuffled along stumbling and grunting. <shaking my head>


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[QUOTE=tkrrox;6559809]Listen here turbo..

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Mr. OP, don't get suckered into derogatory comments by others. You will just end up spending all your time trying to justify yourself.

For instance, there's a guy on here, who apparently has a LOT of spare time to follow my posts/comments around, just so he can contradict them and have some kind of knee-jerk reaction without actually comprehending what I am saying (to be fair, not everything I say can be understand, even by me). As you can see, I actually possess a sense of humor, unlike the troll that follows me around, who takes everything literally.

Best thing, ignore the assumptions of others and those that have nothing good to say. Only engage in battles that you can win quickly.
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I'm an ass hole.
You on the other hand, can't even find and keep a decent carpenter.
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I'm an ass hole.

You on the other hand, can't even find and keep a decent carpenter.

Sucks to be you.


Not really...Iím pretty blessed!


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Many contractors (and HO's) here in CO love hiring on these mooching illegal bastards. Some of my "legal" construction friends had to get into other lines of work as the illegals low wages have kiled their honest businesses. Damn effin shame.

Back on topic (sorta) I'm not sure why the OP is getting ragged on. I thought he had legit concerns and questions. Maybe there was a hint of frustration on his posts but hell...hiring good workers is the hardest part of running a business. It's why I work by myself.

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These are your first 4 posts in this thread:

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I have been getting carpenters that canít hang a slab door in an existing whole by themselves, takes 3 hrs for a prehung and upset at $30hr.
I had another that I had build attic access panels-1x6 frame w/ door stop and mdf panel. It took him 8hrs for 2. Was upset that I told him I wasnít willing to pay him more than $25

I had a guy for a year @$30 and wanted a raise. I told him He wasnít far enough along and he said he needed $35 or he was gone. Heís gone. He constantly missed the simple processes with construction but was ambitious and showed up

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Iím still loosing jobs for being too expensive. Fortunately most of my work is specialty so I stay relatively busy with word of mouth. Only bud a couple times a year. (And unfortunately itís less than 70)

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Iíve thought about it...but that still doesnít help me find good help

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Yes but he was also costing me with daily mess ups.
If you are so blessed, why you talking so poor?

All around you are outfits building dozens, hundreds, thousands of homes. The ARE finding and keeping good help.

Likely, they are paying less than you, and making/keeping more profit.

It's not the hourly rate, its you.

You even said you had a good guy, but you thew him away.

Treat people like a commodity, and when they get the opportunity, they will walk every time.
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If you are so blessed, why you talking so poor?



All around you are outfits building dozens, hundreds, thousands of homes. The ARE finding and keeping good help.



Likely, they are paying less than you, and making/keeping more profit.



It's not the hourly rate, its you.



You even said you had a good guy, but you thew him away.



Treat people like a commodity, and when they get the opportunity, they will walk every time.


Ok this is the last time I going to waist my time explaining. I donít know why you feel you need to continue crapping on my thread.

I had an good guy that showed up, was green with not a lot real skill or experience and wanted to make more than I thought I could justify billing him out at. So with your logic anyone the shows up regularly should make top pay even though they canít be left alone or have the ability? Im fine training someone but not when they think they should get top pay. The others lasted a matter of weeks due to blatantly lying about experience.

I Have been steadily busy to the point of turning down work due to the fact that me and my guy canít handle anymore load. That is why Iím looking for carpenters but Iím NOT looking for a place filler. I will admit I am very particular on who I let represent my company.


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I took SmallTownGuy's post as tongue in cheek. He's telling what goes through an employees mind when he is considering working for, or continuing to work for you.

I'm am however willing to consider that he is indeed a dick head. Your reaction to him is all I need to know that I wouldn't want to work for you.

You also mentioned that you were asking for opinions from other Californian contractors, and not people from Michigan. If you read your posts, you didn't previously state that this was limited to the west coast only. Maybe your employee messed up because you didn't make yourself clear.
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I read the first post, and I Immediately think to myself: "Does this guy want answers, or is he really looking to vent?"

As I read "tkrrox" replies, what I see is Yeah, but, and What about".

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Ok this is the last time I going to waist my time explaining. I donít know why you feel you need to continue crapping on my thread.

I had an good guy that showed up, was green with not a lot real skill or experience and wanted to make more than I thought I could justify billing him out at. So with your logic anyone the shows up regularly should make top pay even though they canít be left alone or have the ability? Im fine training someone but not when they think they should get top pay. The others lasted a matter of weeks due to blatantly lying about experience.

I Have been steadily busy to the point of turning down work due to the fact that me and my guy canít handle anymore load. That is why Iím looking for carpenters but Iím NOT looking for a place filler. I will admit I am very particular on who I let represent my company.


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With my logic, no one would have any problem finding and keeping good help. You said you had a problem. I took you at your word and gave straight up answers.

So after all is said and done, you don't want the truth, because it would require YOU changing something in yourself.

In other words, you're just here to complain. While others are making money.

There are guys on this forum that never complain about getting good help. They work in the same or similar markets as you. Their product is exceptional.

They are making money, growing their business, and speak in glowing terms about the quality of employees they have.

So what's the difference?

Same market(s). same materials, same competition for getting employees. Same need to make profit and grow their business.

The difference is you.
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I took SmallTownGuy's post as tongue in cheek. He's telling what goes through an employees mind when he is considering working for, or continuing to work for you.



I'm am however willing to consider that he is indeed a dick head. Your reaction to him is all I need to know that I wouldn't want to work for you.



You also mentioned that you were asking for opinions from other Californian contractors, and not people from Michigan. If you read your posts, you didn't previously state that this was limited to the west coast only. Maybe your employee messed up because you didn't make yourself clear.


Youíre right I assumed the title made it clear.


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With my logic, no one would have any problem finding and keeping good help. You said you had a problem. I took you at your word and gave straight up answers.



So after all is said and done, you don't want the truth, because it would require YOU changing something in yourself.



In other words, you're just here to complain. While others are making money.



There are guys on this forum that never complain about getting good help. They work in the same or similar markets as you. Their product is exceptional.



They are making money, growing their business, and speak in glowing terms about the quality of employees they have.



So what's the difference?



Same market(s). same materials, same competition for getting employees. Same need to make profit and grow their business.



The difference is you.


My OP was about California wages and what I should expect to get at a certain price point. Not keeping workers. I have let them go because they didnít fit the bill. But maybe youíre right. I might have too high expectations...


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My OP was about California wages and what I should expect to get at a certain price point. Not keeping workers. I have let them go because they didnít fit the bill. But maybe youíre right. I might have too high expectations...


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So it sounds like you need to improve your vetting process of prospective employees. It sounds easier than it is. So, your expectations should be written down for each level of carpenter that you want - skills, knowledge, years in the trade and so forth.

Some guys that have been in business for some time have all this memorized and know instinctively questions to ask to weed out all the fakers and posers that are out there. They also know skill levels and what you should know, based on years in the businesses and what you claim you know.

Going through the process and research of what you want, then writing it down will help you realize if you are engaged in wishful thinking or not. The key is the reality of the area you are in (geographic). For instance, when it comes to high and low voltage electrical, networks, security and so forth, I know what union guys are paid and what their skills are, I pretty much know the same for non-union.

If someone comes to me and says, hey I'm an expert on this and that, then I'll ask them a situational question that relates to what they say their skills are. If they can't answer it, it then comes down to: "Well, you embellished or just plain lied about your skills, what else should I know?"

Like I said some time ago in this post: it appears that the expectations you have in your head are running straight into the brick wall of reality. It's painful and you end up on your ass every time.
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here is my deal

your listed wages are on par with what I pay in colorado

I have 5 guys working for me

I spend more time being a social worker sometimes than anything, I've interviewed guys and thought they were the bomb from what they said to me when we met only to find out they suck. My deep down stoner meditative personality deals with it this way, find someones strengths and weaknesses, what are they good at what do they suck at and decide how to best use them to your advantage. No one is perfect no one is going to care that much about you or your business. No one is going to work that hard. You are going to have to sit down with your workers and listen to them complain listen to them tell you how they think your an idiot, on and on, it's part of the job

my payroll is somewhere around 1500.00 a day, I probably loose 200 - 300 dollars a day is wasted time, mistakes, and guys jerking off with their phones. I don't loose sleep I don't care about it, it's not worth it

I have a guy right now that I was ready to cut loose after a month or two of working for me. He stinks like booze cigarettes body oder because he doesn't shower regularly or wash his clothes all the time, I think he eats edibles all day long too. Guess what? Two years later he is one of my best guys. He is my right hand man and I'm grooming him to be management material which he will be really good at because I stepped back and tried to figure out what he was good at and what he was not good at

as far as wages, suck it up you have to pay, I only close 30 - 40% of the jobs I bid on. people under cut me all the time, I use my workers comp, payroll, taxes etc as a selling point and people don't care. Had a recent inquiry about framing and I told em on the phone that it was 25 - 35 sq ft for labor only framing, siding, and window set, silence.

The world we live in is all about the cheapest cost available from t shirts to roofing. Someone is always starting a contracting business and looking to get rich and be their own boss only to find out that the true costs of running a business are twice as high as they a bidding out.

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here is my deal

your listed wages are on par with what I pay in colorado

I have 5 guys working for me

I spend more time being a social worker sometimes than anything, I've interviewed guys and thought they were the bomb from what they said to me when we met only to find out they suck. My deep down stoner meditative personality deals with it this way, find someones strengths and weaknesses, what are they good at what do they suck at and decide how to best use them to your advantage. No one is perfect no one is going to care that much about you or your business. No one is going to work that hard. You are going to have to sit down with your workers and listen to them complain listen to them tell you how they think your an idiot, on and on, it's part of the job

my payroll is somewhere around 1500.00 a day, I probably loose 200 - 300 dollars a day is wasted time, mistakes, and guys jerking off with their phones. I don't loose sleep I don't care about it, it's not worth it

I have a guy right now that I was ready to cut loose after a month or two of working for me. He stinks like booze cigarettes body oder because he doesn't shower regularly or wash his clothes all the time, I think he eats edibles all day long too. Guess what? Two years later he is one of my best guys. He is my right hand man and I'm grooming him to be management material which he will be really good at because I stepped back and tried to figure out what he was good at and what he was not good at

as far as wages, suck it up you have to pay, I only close 30 - 40% of the jobs I bid on. people under cut me all the time, I use my workers comp, payroll, taxes etc as a selling point and people don't care. Had a recent inquiry about framing and I told em on the phone that it was 25 - 35 sq ft for labor only framing, siding, and window set, silence.

The world we live in is all about the cheapest cost available from t shirts to roofing. Someone is always starting a contracting business and looking to get rich and be their own boss only to find out that the true costs of running a business are twice as high as they a bidding out.


Very well said. I will admit Iím green at being a boss. Like stated, it had been my fatherís old employee and I until the last couple of years. I have been trying to find some more workers so I wouldnít have to turn down as much work. The thing when I look at the books itís pennies that Iím making with added help since itís keeping me from my work. I guess there is a leap there like all steps in business.


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I'm in Los Angeles and I've only read parts of this thread. yep, when I made 30$ an hour 15 years ago I was the bomb as a lead carpenter. A web inflation calculator shows that $41 dollars per hour now. I had a van, full tools, and hustle. If I could find the old me now, I would pay him that much money and kick back a little.
wages are high in high cost of living states so all the guys in low cost of living states can't understand what it really costs to live here. That's cool as I may well end up living somewhere else soon.
$30 per hour is the bare minimum I pay as my workmens comp kicks up under that rate. That's reality. Good guys cost me more as they can command it and they're worth every penny. Find the best guys you can and pay them what it takes. I lose jobs all the time due to " contractors" with cheaper labor. That's what it is . I can't handle ****ty work so pay the cost for good work
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I'm in Los Angeles and I've only read parts of this thread. yep, when I made 30$ an hour 15 years ago I was the bomb as a lead carpenter. A web inflation calculator shows that $41 dollars per hour now. I had a van, full tools, and hustle. If I could find the old me now, I would pay him that much money and kick back a little.

wages are high in high cost of living states so all the guys in low cost of living states can't understand what it really costs to live here. That's cool as I may well end up living somewhere else soon.

$30 per hour is the bare minimum I pay as my workmens comp kicks up under that rate. That's reality. Good guys cost me more as they can command it and they're worth every penny. Find the best guys you can and pay them what it takes. I lose jobs all the time due to " contractors" with cheaper labor. That's what it is . I can't handle ****ty work so pay the cost for good work


Right Iím the same. I would gladly pay 40+ for myself 15yrs ago. And youíre right I drop from 43% under $30 to 13% over $30, but I have a real hard time paying a dude $30 when he canít even figure out how to cope base.

Iím with you on leaving Cali. Iíve been researching different places. I really like Idaho, but from what Iíve heard everyone else does too and prices have really inflated because of it


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