What's A Reasonable Day's Production

mikec

That should have only taken you 12 days....no?

Slyfox

LOL, maybe they only worked 12 days, he did say that included down time.

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cms_roofing

Exactly, I couldn't remember if we got the materials and dumpsters there the very next day or if it took a couple days for us to start. This was just from the date of starting. Plus no weekend work since I knew we would be just fine in deadline, also not counting rain days. All in all we did about 120 sq. per day but couldnt tell u exact rain days, off, etc

jwinger45

I have an 8 man crew that tears off and shingles 30 sq houses on a daily basis.... (1 layer, 4-5/12 pitch ranch houses with ridgevent and a brick chimney flashing), cleaned up and collected with a very happy customer.

jwinger45

I have an 8 man crew that tears off and shingles 30 sq houses on a daily basis.... (1 layer, 4-5/12 pitch ranch houses with ridgevent and a brick chimney flashing), cleaned up and collected with a very happy customer

mattp

My crew consist of two roofers including myself and one labor. We can easily knock out a 28sq roof a day. 1 layer, fairly straight forward, few valleys, few flashing, just the normal.

apehangeralfy

I would love to see some of these jobs...

Do you guys pull all the felt?
Renail the decking with 8D ringshank nails every 6" in the field and 4" on all but ends and edges?
Get inspections?
Pull permits?

If your knocking one a day out that means you must also be selling one a day and getting the NOC and permits that quick also.... I would love to be going that but I just don't see it... a few years ago when it was less regulated and doing new construction we did over 750 houses for 1 builder and had 4-6 crews of 2-3 shinglers, and that is all they did, still most houses took 3-4 days per crew... although they all could lay 20 square a day, at the end of the week most averaged 8-12 sq. per day... and that was the top guys.

The only ones I see around here that knock a house a day out have 10+ illegal looking guys and I supervisor that can speak English, they don't have proper insurance, and the work is marginal at best....



Now if we're just talkin' bar room roofing, hell... I can still do 6 sq. and hour... actually I can do 1 sq. in ten min. and if you multiply that time 6 there ya go.....

Course after that sq in 10 min I will need a seat in the shade and quite possibly oxygen..

BamBamm5144

Conversations like these are pointless. Me and one other guy just last month did a 34 sq tear off and re roof in two days and a few hours. It all depends on how it comes off, how smart you are when you work, where you place your bundles and how well you work together and how simple the home is. The next week, me and the same guy did a 38 square house and it took us 9 days. Came off entirely different and the whole house was one big cut home. Both of them were walkable.

Everybody is fast until you get them on your jobsite. I can not believe the guys hired that have said I can lay 3 square an hour and it turns out to be three bundles with all high or low nails. I would rather have jobs take an extra day or two and never have to go back, than get them done quicker and go back. Then again, I make whoever did the part of the house that has the problem go back and fix it on there own time. Amazing how much better quality becomes when you only pay guys the first time to do something.

The biggest waste of time, IMO, is dropping shingles to the ground. If you dont have to do it, why? Amazing the amount of time you save at the end of the day.

Work Smarter, Not Harder. Right?

2ndGen

It's all relative.

There are so many factors to consider.

Temperature, materials being laid down, details, protrusions, unforeseen work needed, access to work area, nailing requirements, roof height, time to stage job/load material, etc...

On steeper roofs, one should be able to clear a roof faster (gravity helps much in moving the material down field). But, on less steep roofs, way more time is made up on applying material, so maybe that's a wash in time savings.

Again, it's all relative.

My best? 20 square tear-off with two ripping off/one moving material in 1/2 day. Super steep pitch and 6 planks from eave to ridge (roughly 3+sq/hr).

Dried in by the afternoon. Got a downpour for two days straight, not a drop entered the house.




On a nice walkable roof, with 1 gun and two hand nailers; 30sq/6 hours.
[2 15" valleys, 6 roof areas]

My absolute best shingling, walkable roof, 5 2/3's sq in 1 hour (and that was with 3 tabs layed out perfectly...would've been more with architecturals).

Super steep roof; 4sq in 45 minutes (but I was especially angry with my worker who said it couldn't be done, so anger might have contributed greatly to that amount of work. )

Once, I was laying 1 bundle per minute while I had a wide field with a helper throwing me the shingles right into my hand. That was fun.

1 bundle, reload coils, bang/bang/bang/bang...repeat. I credit my helper greatly with that. Couldn't have kept that up without him.

Today, I'm happy if I leisurely lay up 3-4 sq/hour (5 when I rush).

Of course, that is depending on the circumstances.

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"I've been up on the roof. I know what those guys go through.
My whole life has been about making that profession respectable."
Ken Hendricks
www.SolutionsRoofing.com

2ndGen

I'd say that's a good general standard (1 sq/on & off/hr per man).

Coincidentally, I was running numbers just for fun earlier and came out to that exact estimate.

My father used to say "What you haven't done by 11:00, you're not going to do all day." in his broken English and he was 100% right.

He kept us in the habit of jumping out of the truck, setting up and making noise within the first 15 minutes of arriving on site with a steady pace until about 11 (starting at 8). Lunch was about 15 minutes (he usually ate it standing up out of a thermos).

Then, back on the roof for a leisurely rest of the day. BUT we kicked arse before that leaving the laborers to clean up while we dried in and shingled. That way, come what may that night (storm/rain/snow/whateve), we could sleep peacefully.

Start cleaning up at about 3:30. In the truck by 4.

Tear off in the morning, dry-in/shingle in the afternoon.

The "smart" way for Notheast roofing.

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"I've been up on the roof. I know what those guys go through.
My whole life has been about making that profession respectable."
Ken Hendricks
www.SolutionsRoofing.com

mattp

We remove all felt and nails. Renail sheathing as needed

A&E Exteriors

I can do 3 sq an hour, did 4 in 53 min once i just cant do it every hour.

Grumpy

Your grand father was a very very smart man! He tought you very much the same way I learned and try hard to get my guys to think but constantly hit my head against a brick wall trying.

2ndGen

Thanks!

I just tore off and dried in 7 walkable 1 layer squares in 1 hour yesterday,
dried it in in 30 minutes (w/hand nailed button caps and 2 12' valleys)
and had the trash in the dumpster in about 15 minutes.

Bing, bang, outta there.
My guys were 28 & 29.
Poor lads...I had them wheezing.
They couldn't keep up with me.



By 11AM, we started drying in the 8 sqrs we ripped the day before
(me and one guy in just over 3 hours total time with only 1 ripper
in the dumpster at the end of the same day).

It's true what they say about Roofers, the older you get the harder you get.

Tomorrow, we're going for 12 squares ripped,
dried in and in the dumpster by the day's end.
If we do it, I'll be satisfied with that (me + 2 inexperienced helpers).

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"I've been up on the roof. I know what those guys go through.
My whole life has been about making that profession respectable."
Ken Hendricks
www.SolutionsRoofing.com

bmaurice

What state are you roofing in 2ndGen?

smeagol

we tore off 20 sq in 5 mins or should i say rolled off. they were 3 tabs stapled down to osb with no tp beneath. started top north side rolled it like a cigar and after 5 ft it rolled half of itself into the south trailer and the other half draped over the side we just bent the other half over with the forklift and done

2ndGen

Virginia.

__________________
"I've been up on the roof. I know what those guys go through.
My whole life has been about making that profession respectable."
Ken Hendricks
www.SolutionsRoofing.com

2ndGen

Nice Thursday...12 squares torn off and piled up ready to go in dumpster?

Me and a helper...1 1/2 hours.

__________________
"I've been up on the roof. I know what those guys go through.
My whole life has been about making that profession respectable."
Ken Hendricks
www.SolutionsRoofing.com

2ndGen

Oh...and dried in by 11am.

Did I mention NO STAPLERS!

All cap nailed.

__________________
"I've been up on the roof. I know what those guys go through.
My whole life has been about making that profession respectable."
Ken Hendricks
www.SolutionsRoofing.com

MJW

Is everyone done swinging their short sticks at each other yet?

Those of us that actually do our own work know how long it takes with the given circumstances of the job. If a guy is any good at all, they probably won't be working for someone else. They will be on their own eventually.

2nd gen, you talk about a helper....you pick them up at the local Home Depot or at the bus stop in front of their house after school?

I remember when I was considered a lowly roofer....the bottom of the barrel in construction trades. Now, every framer and plumber is a roofer too. Kinda funny to me.