My dad(lives in California) came back to his hometown in October(Mattoon) and purchased a res. property for an investment in Illinois(my home town as well)to sell or maybee rent.
He hired a "freind of the family" for the "cheap price" to do a small 20x20 flat roof area on top (used to dump coal through shute from the top of roof for heating the house in the old days)top of a pitched roof on this house.
Well...it leaked bad during the first thunderstorm(blowing rain) we had...so we called the guy back to fix the leak...he said he "thought" the blowing rain was bouncing off the pitched roof below and was being driven up under the Alum. roof edge he installed on the flat roof above...
...so,we relied on his "experience in the biz" when he suggested & we agreed to have him install some additional alum.flashing for $120 extra labor & n/c for material(left over white coil stock) & seal with some "$12 a tube" waterproof caulking under the roof edge to stop this leak.We/he thought this would solve this leak....
....but,the next hard rain we had caused it to leak again BAD(same spot)...so,I called him back AGAIN TO FIX IT!...he was "surprised" & just applied some more of this caulking material to the edge of the torch down roofing material were it was leaking at...and said that should do it..but,I wanted to make sure this time for sure,not wait for another rain(were spending $30,000 on a complete remodel on the interior,drywall has already been installed,close to being ready for me to paint interior)We can't afford anymore leaks to happen at this point in this project...
....so I tested it by spraying a garden hose on the leaking area & the rest of flat roof area...it did'nt leak anymore after doing that(so far)....he said thats all he gonna do to it,its sealed ...and got pissed at my questioning his work and wanting him to redo the job right...as the other "experienced" roofing companies said it should be done...he walked off the jobsite...saying he was gonna call my dad...and "cut out the miidle man"(me)...it almost became a fight between us in the front yard...but,he just ended up leaving the hose stuck on the roof...took his ladder down...and said tough chit,get the hose down yourself...and left like the un-professional roofer he really was...then,I CALLED around to get some opinions on this roof/leak problem....
....THEY ALL said he should'nt have used alumin. roof edge(they said it causes wrinkling to it from the heat or not enough heat was used to bond the roof mater. to roof edge),but THEY ALL SAID he should of used 26 gage steel(primed) as the metal edge....plus he did'nt wrap the roof mater. over the edge correctly and torch it down properly...he just cut it off even with the edge of roof(as my dad requested him to do,but my dad did'nt know the correct process,he just did'nt like the look of the black exposed roofing material wrapped over edge you could see from the street veiw)...so the roofer said(trying to please my dad) he could do it that way and make it work....but,turns out it was barely stuck in some spots(torched) to alumin roof edge...with the alum. roof edge placed UNDER the top layer of torch down product..not as manufact. specs require and to place on top of roof material with steel edge,then use 10" min.flashing material & torch down over top of steel edge...to seal it down properly.
My question is:
....who's at fault with this leak?...my dad or him?....should he of told my dad this is'nt the way he wants to do it,and refused to do it that way? or just "try to please the customer"...hoping he could make it work out(even though he after the leak,he admitted he's never done it like that before in the 6-7 flat roofs he done in so far,and wrapped it over edge) and what sould we do about it now?
Any suggestions from anybody experienced in this torch down product?...from reading past post on this site...sounds like GRUMPY is the man to ask...along with a few others....please help us out,if you can !!!!
Frustrated,
from Mattoon, Illinois
He hired a "freind of the family" for the "cheap price" to do a small 20x20 flat roof area on top (used to dump coal through shute from the top of roof for heating the house in the old days)top of a pitched roof on this house.
Well...it leaked bad during the first thunderstorm(blowing rain) we had...so we called the guy back to fix the leak...he said he "thought" the blowing rain was bouncing off the pitched roof below and was being driven up under the Alum. roof edge he installed on the flat roof above...
...so,we relied on his "experience in the biz" when he suggested & we agreed to have him install some additional alum.flashing for $120 extra labor & n/c for material(left over white coil stock) & seal with some "$12 a tube" waterproof caulking under the roof edge to stop this leak.We/he thought this would solve this leak....
....but,the next hard rain we had caused it to leak again BAD(same spot)...so,I called him back AGAIN TO FIX IT!...he was "surprised" & just applied some more of this caulking material to the edge of the torch down roofing material were it was leaking at...and said that should do it..but,I wanted to make sure this time for sure,not wait for another rain(were spending $30,000 on a complete remodel on the interior,drywall has already been installed,close to being ready for me to paint interior)We can't afford anymore leaks to happen at this point in this project...
....so I tested it by spraying a garden hose on the leaking area & the rest of flat roof area...it did'nt leak anymore after doing that(so far)....he said thats all he gonna do to it,its sealed ...and got pissed at my questioning his work and wanting him to redo the job right...as the other "experienced" roofing companies said it should be done...he walked off the jobsite...saying he was gonna call my dad...and "cut out the miidle man"(me)...it almost became a fight between us in the front yard...but,he just ended up leaving the hose stuck on the roof...took his ladder down...and said tough chit,get the hose down yourself...and left like the un-professional roofer he really was...then,I CALLED around to get some opinions on this roof/leak problem....
....THEY ALL said he should'nt have used alumin. roof edge(they said it causes wrinkling to it from the heat or not enough heat was used to bond the roof mater. to roof edge),but THEY ALL SAID he should of used 26 gage steel(primed) as the metal edge....plus he did'nt wrap the roof mater. over the edge correctly and torch it down properly...he just cut it off even with the edge of roof(as my dad requested him to do,but my dad did'nt know the correct process,he just did'nt like the look of the black exposed roofing material wrapped over edge you could see from the street veiw)...so the roofer said(trying to please my dad) he could do it that way and make it work....but,turns out it was barely stuck in some spots(torched) to alumin roof edge...with the alum. roof edge placed UNDER the top layer of torch down product..not as manufact. specs require and to place on top of roof material with steel edge,then use 10" min.flashing material & torch down over top of steel edge...to seal it down properly.
My question is:
....who's at fault with this leak?...my dad or him?....should he of told my dad this is'nt the way he wants to do it,and refused to do it that way? or just "try to please the customer"...hoping he could make it work out(even though he after the leak,he admitted he's never done it like that before in the 6-7 flat roofs he done in so far,and wrapped it over edge) and what sould we do about it now?
Any suggestions from anybody experienced in this torch down product?...from reading past post on this site...sounds like GRUMPY is the man to ask...along with a few others....please help us out,if you can !!!!
Frustrated,
from Mattoon, Illinois