Storm Chasers

MJW · 09-18-2006, 12:39 AM

Boy , I can't wait to see the squabble to get work in Rogers after the tornado this weekend. I laugh when I see them trying to get work because they have no work. hahahaha

dougger222 · 09-18-2006, 03:38 PM

I sub tear offs from a company who will be doing a lot of work up that way. Superior Construction Services out of Maple Grove. Gertans (sp?) will also be up there for sure. A friend of mine's brother in laws run Gertans and they all roofing to a company called RoofCo, not sure if you guys have heard of them or not. They don't advertise or put up signs but the owner who's in his 30's runs a fleet of 80 dumpsters for his Mexican roofing crews. They work all across the country. This guy sounds like a roofing pimp!!! My father met him while working on an insurance job for Gertans last Fall in the NorthWest storm area. At sundown the lights came on to repair the commercial retail store that sustainted winds of up to 100 mph.

The temps are paid $10-15 an hour and the insurance company pays close to $100 an hour.

MJW · 09-18-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dougger222

I sub tear offs from a company who will be doing a lot of work up that way. Superior Construction Services out of Maple Grove. Gertans (sp?) will also be up there for sure. A friend of mine's brother in laws run Gertans and they all roofing to a company called RoofCo, not sure if you guys have heard of them or not. They don't advertise or put up signs but the owner who's in his 30's runs a fleet of 80 dumpsters for his Mexican roofing crews. They work all across the country. This guy sounds like a roofing pimp!!! My father met him while working on an insurance job for Gertans last Fall in the NorthWest storm area. At sundown the lights came on to repair the commercial retail store that sustainted winds of up to 100 mph.

The temps are paid $10-15 an hour and the insurance company pays close to $100 an hour.

Being a sub is part of the problem. Why do you have a license, if you're gonna sub. Don't feed the sharks. I am firm believer, if you bid the work, do the work.

And No, I have never heard of these companies, because they are not roofing companies if you ask me. I have seen too many flip flop wearing, slicked hair salesman calling themselves roofers I could puke. Most know how to sell to an ignorant howeowner, but have never sinched a toolbelt on in their life.
Could call them triple P's.....Pencil Pushin' Pimps.. LOL!!!

dougger222 · 09-21-2006, 08:03 AM

I wanted to get into a large restoration company for work in the future just in case, you never know. The profit is good on the sub jobs but not like the regular tear offs.

The only advantage to subbing is you don't have to pull the permit or make a sale with the homeowner.

Superior is a great company to sub from though. They pay what you want and there customer satisfaction is the best in the business. They only get paid once the customer is 100% satisfied and the inspections are passed. The owner is a nice guy. I'm told the main roofer pulls in around 2 million a year from Superior, not a bad gig if you ask me. All I know is for the first time in 15 years there's another roofer digging into the pot!!!

The saleseman I deal with is my cousin in law and he's pretty good at what he does. He's teaching me about sales and presentations on every job we work together on. He's spent the last 6 years working for insurance restoration companies so he's really learned his way around the adjusters.

When I get a call from a homeowner with hail other than there roof I get in touch with my Superior guy and I get the roof for the full insurance dollars and they get the rest. At least I know the homeowner will be happy with all the work done on there home this way.

But your right, there not really roofers there's just pimps! My idea of a roofer is a person who's on a roof for a full time job making his living working.

BTW, I have to be licensed to sub from Superior and have a 2 million dollar roofing liablity policy with a million dollar policy on the work vehicles.

Well gotta go finish a tear off today before the rain comes and try to paper in a 7/12 new construction roof. On Sunday I'll finally get a break, going to Lake of the Woods for a few days then Two Harbors.

RidgeWalker · 11-01-2006, 04:42 PM

Alot of the comments made about the storm chasers are sad but true. I worked in this business as a salesman for a few years before lighting out on my own.

I'd personally like to see some changes in the insurance restoration industry becuase of the way some of my peers do business. Like buying out a local name, that is complete crapola in my opinion. It's an easy way to not take responsibility for your mistakes. Granted there is nothing illegal about it, business are bought out by other business's all the time.

The low bid mentality are the one's who are the true scurge of the restoration industry in my opinion. They use $$$ as the motivating factor in making a sale, instead of quality products and installation. The latter by the way the home owner pays for every month with thier insurance premium! The home owner should not get anything less from thier insurance company or thier contractor.

Also about working with the home owners insurance company to get agreed pricing for the roofing is common and reasonable. Almost every home owner has no clue what they are really owed for thier damages. Almost every home owner believes that the initial settlement they are given by thier insurance company is fair. In most cases it's not.

The reason they believe this is becuase the insurance industry spends billions every year for TV & Radio ads to build trust and faith in the population, so why would they suspect anything less when they have a large claim.

Case in point, and you MN guys might know this. The hail storm in 98 caused alot of siding damage. Old 8 inch aluminum siding in colors no longer available. Farmers ended up getting sued because it was contested that they owed for the un-damaged sides of the siding.

The case against the insurance company was won, and Farmers and every other insurance company had to go back and pay for the undamaged sides. Did they loose becuase the policy said they owed for it? No. They lost becuase it was determined that the publics confidence and faith in the insurance industry would be lost. How's that? Becuase of the faith and confidence the insurance industry builds in thier marketing efforts. So it was determined that they engaged in unfair and deceptive trade practices, and that's why they lost.

Also it's illegal for any one to get money back from an insurance claim. These contractors giving money back are breaking the law and committing insurance fraud and so is the home owner.

Our policy is to get an agreed price with the insurance company and that's the price that goes on the contract to the penny. Any home owner who want's it differant we tell them we can't do business with them.

MJW · 11-01-2006, 05:29 PM

I agree it is fraud and I hate it. The homeowners believe this ins. money is theirs and to do with it what they please. Now the check goes through mortgage companies to make sure the work is done. This is still wrong. It should go directly to the contractor, which some of you already do. We have had people forge our name to get the money and we don't even do the job and neither do they. This is probably the reasoning to get the mortgage company involved. All this started from storm chasers. If local companies do the work there would be much less trouble. One job we just got paid on we did back in July. This is how much trouble this has made for the contractors. When the storm hit Rogers, we didn't even go. Most of the jobs go to storm chasers. Why deal with it. Next year we can go and make more money fixing what they did wrong and do less work.

RidgeWalker · 11-02-2006, 08:09 AM

@ MJW,

It's not that stormchasers per say are the only guilty parties. But more accurately the guilty parties are weak salesmen who entice the home owners by giving away or not including the deductibles when they get an agreed price with the insurance company.

These salesman are not really salesman at all, they are give away artist's. They give away free ridge vent, or shingle upgrades becuase they are WEAK. These are the ones who ruin the market and give the home owner a missrepresentation of the true cost's of being a contractor today.

MJW · 11-02-2006, 08:18 AM

Most salesman are WEAK if you ask me. They talk the talk, but the "workers" walk the walk. How hard is it to sell something they need that is basically free. With a repuation and references, you won't need much of a salesman. It's called work......not sales. sales is for the lumber yard boy behind the desk.

AaronB. · 11-02-2006, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MJW

Most salesman are WEAK if you ask me. They talk the talk, but the "workers" walk the walk. How hard is it to sell something they need that is basically free. With a repuation and references, you won't need much of a salesman. It's called work......not sales. sales is for the lumber yard boy behind the desk.

Do you guys, by any chance, price by "the going rate"?

I have to 100% disagree with MJW's statement. I have to sell my work and perform it. Doing the jobs is about half the work in a roofing company.

dougger222 · 11-02-2006, 10:59 PM

My cousin in law who's an estimator for Superior Const. Services gets down on me for giving free upgrades and knocking off money towards deductables.

He's teaching me things I need to practice more often such as doing highly detailed diagrams of the roofs and then taking that information into the Exactimate software and comparing that to what the insurance adjuster has come up with.

With his techniques I did $7,000 in 3 hours on three jobs the other day sitting in the office, money most roofing contractors would have missed out on. One of these days I'll get my own Exactimate version on the laptop.

My brother who's also a roofer looks at the insurance paperwork and says, "it looks great when can I start". I keep trying to tell him there's more than what meets the eye.

RidgeWalker · 11-03-2006, 03:23 PM

I have to dissagree with MJW statement as well. I good salemen knows how to sell a job cleanly. If you don't know what that mean in terms of sales you definatly haven't arrived yet.

Going rate is very subjective Aaron. One roofers rates may be differant for many differant reasons. I run into this all the time with insurance companies telling me they have 20 contractors who will do my clients job all day long for X/per square. This is why we started using Xactimate, it's the most comprehensive and fair way to scope a job. Xactimate dictates the pricing to all it's user's, unless your like State Farm who get's thier own special price list. That's all together another subject.

The problem as I see it in the roofing industry is that you have alot of pick up truck roofers who bid jobs much less becusae they have the cheap mentality. I however am the exact opposite, if I had my way I'd get $270/sq for a single layer 25yr roof up to 8/12.

AaronB. · 11-03-2006, 09:31 PM

I am only doing repair work residential now, since all (it seems) of the competition do the old subcontractor scam....if theyre really subcontractors, their empoyees arent, and cannot possibly do it properly here for the rates theyre charging. I know this for a fact cuz I go through entire subdivisions fixing the same mistakes over and over and over again.

What I call the "going rate" is what the uninsured lowballers charge, and have no GL or comp. A worker will get hurt agagin and another homeowner sued for all their possessions.

RooferJim · 11-04-2006, 11:15 AM

going rate here starts about $400. to 450 a square once you break it down. there are some in the 300 or 350 a square bracket but they are not apples to apples. There are three parts to a roofing business
sales, production and administration. or somtimes put
getting the work, doing the work and getting the money and paying the bills.

RooferJim

RidgeWalker · 11-04-2006, 02:51 PM

$400-$450/sq for what kind of roofing.

BRNDIVY · 11-04-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IHI

I've been wtching how some of these fools are doing their work and living upto the name of storm chasers since they'll be leaving behind shoody work as usual. You'l think in this day and age with all the storm chaser stories folks would get a figgin clue, but like always btm dollar wins out. 2 layer tear off was quoted to a buddies buddy at $50/sq for labor

I dont see how they can afford to drive back and forth to the hotel doing it that cheaply.

We do work for few companies in Indy and have to agree that there are bunch out there doing sh***y work.
I have a crew out there right now and I have not heard of one job that has went smoothly. The company we are working with right now is redoing another company's work.

Brenda

roofwiz74 · 11-04-2006, 10:02 PM

it's not just storm chasers,there are plenty of idiots out there.I've been on a few warranty jobs done by very reputable companies that were sub standard workmanship.
I try not to compete with the cheaper companies,they are gonna get the jobs were price is the factor.Most of the contrators I do work for are more concerned about the quality,and my price really doesn't become a issue.when I do start contracting (5yrs maybe)I plan to market myself to the people I want to do work for.I can't see running around and giving 10 estimates for jobs I know I won't get cause of price.right now I'm gonna shingle while I can.by the time I get tired of it(too late)I will have a few years here behind me of great quality work and healthy relationships with the builders,contractors and homeowners.

RooferJim · 11-05-2006, 01:26 PM

Timberline 30 or the equal. three tabs are very very rare to install and we would charge the same or more for a three tab install. Timberline Ultra is an upgrade. closer to Boston they get more

RooferJim
www.jbennetteroofing.com

MJW · 11-05-2006, 08:15 PM

I understand everyones viewpoints and respect them. Here is an example of a job we just lost to a storm chaser.
It was a 2 layer job, one asphalt one wood shakes. Then putting down 40 yr. Landmarks. The customer had his own materials. Normally we never do this, but this guy seemed real reasonable to work with and was a union cement man. He whined how his company was losing jobs to low-ballers and such. Anyhow, we had the job set for the following week. He calls the day before we start and says he got a "company" to do his job for half our price!!! Our price was very reasonable at $200 a square labor. How can anyone do a job for $100 a square labor!??!!And 2 layers...............
Try selling to a guy like that. Whines about his jobs and turns into a hipocrit (sp).

MJW · 11-05-2006, 08:20 PM

25 yr. roof.......????????????????What is that??

dougger222 · 11-06-2006, 08:35 PM

That's funny, he's complaining about low-ballers and what does he do? He hires himself a LOW BALLER.

I'm sorry I don't have time for low ballers. Just looked at a roof my father and I were too late to bid. As soon as we got off the ladder and on the roof we knew it was a hack job at it's finest. Sad to see all that insurance money was wasted.

Loosing some jobs to Mexicans (low ballers) and I don't care. The smart homeowners the one's I like to work for always wait out the storm and choice the "right" roofing contractor. The rest are "suckers" and get sold by fast talking salesman. Did I mention I don't run door to door, put signs in peoples yards? I can't stand salesmen trying to pass as "roofers". No longer go to phone book jobs unless I've got nothing better to do or I have a good feeling about them over the phone. Most roofs bids take an hour on the road, half an hour on the roof and an hour in the office.

None of my tear offs are with three tabs. I don't try to sell an upcharge for Landmark 30's it's all I lay and would rather lay them than three tabs. Next roof is for a guy who resides on the Minnewonkaton community near Mystic Lake and his wife has opted on Chestnut Landmark Premiums. 60 sq 4/12.

With X-actimate most roofs average $315-450 per square one layer. You have to do very detailed drawings too since some "lazy" adjusters like to have you fax your diagram to them rather than go back to the house a second time.

BTW, my cousin in law has just hit $2,000,000 in sales on the year through Superior Construction Services. Did 15 roofs for him so far this year and another 3 for his boss the owner and have about 1,000 sq's ready to go. Wish I would have gotten connected with him early this year rather than this Summer.

09-18-2006, 12:39 AM	#41
MJW View Profile MJW Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,828) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: General Contractor, Roofing, siding, windows Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MN Posts: 1,828	Re: Storm Chasers Boy , I can't wait to see the squabble to get work in Rogers after the tornado this weekend. I laugh when I see them trying to get work because they have no work. hahahaha

09-18-2006, 03:38 PM	#42
dougger222 View Profile dougger222 Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,394) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Roofing Contractor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stillwater Minnesota Posts: 1,394	Re: Storm Chasers I sub tear offs from a company who will be doing a lot of work up that way. Superior Construction Services out of Maple Grove. Gertans (sp?) will also be up there for sure. A friend of mine's brother in laws run Gertans and they all roofing to a company called RoofCo, not sure if you guys have heard of them or not. They don't advertise or put up signs but the owner who's in his 30's runs a fleet of 80 dumpsters for his Mexican roofing crews. They work all across the country. This guy sounds like a roofing pimp!!! My father met him while working on an insurance job for Gertans last Fall in the NorthWest storm area. At sundown the lights came on to repair the commercial retail store that sustainted winds of up to 100 mph. The temps are paid $10-15 an hour and the insurance company pays close to $100 an hour.

09-21-2006, 08:03 AM	#44
dougger222 View Profile dougger222 Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,394) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Roofing Contractor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stillwater Minnesota Posts: 1,394	Re: Storm Chasers I wanted to get into a large restoration company for work in the future just in case, you never know. The profit is good on the sub jobs but not like the regular tear offs. The only advantage to subbing is you don't have to pull the permit or make a sale with the homeowner. Superior is a great company to sub from though. They pay what you want and there customer satisfaction is the best in the business. They only get paid once the customer is 100% satisfied and the inspections are passed. The owner is a nice guy. I'm told the main roofer pulls in around 2 million a year from Superior, not a bad gig if you ask me. All I know is for the first time in 15 years there's another roofer digging into the pot!!! The saleseman I deal with is my cousin in law and he's pretty good at what he does. He's teaching me about sales and presentations on every job we work together on. He's spent the last 6 years working for insurance restoration companies so he's really learned his way around the adjusters. When I get a call from a homeowner with hail other than there roof I get in touch with my Superior guy and I get the roof for the full insurance dollars and they get the rest. At least I know the homeowner will be happy with all the work done on there home this way. But your right, there not really roofers there's just pimps! My idea of a roofer is a person who's on a roof for a full time job making his living working. BTW, I have to be licensed to sub from Superior and have a 2 million dollar roofing liablity policy with a million dollar policy on the work vehicles. Well gotta go finish a tear off today before the rain comes and try to paper in a 7/12 new construction roof. On Sunday I'll finally get a break, going to Lake of the Woods for a few days then Two Harbors.

11-01-2006, 04:42 PM	#45
RidgeWalker View Profile RidgeWalker Certified Crazy! Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (404) Photos (1) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Certified Crazy! Trade: Insurance Restoration Roofing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 404	Re: Storm Chasers Alot of the comments made about the storm chasers are sad but true. I worked in this business as a salesman for a few years before lighting out on my own. I'd personally like to see some changes in the insurance restoration industry becuase of the way some of my peers do business. Like buying out a local name, that is complete crapola in my opinion. It's an easy way to not take responsibility for your mistakes. Granted there is nothing illegal about it, business are bought out by other business's all the time. The low bid mentality are the one's who are the true scurge of the restoration industry in my opinion. They use $$$ as the motivating factor in making a sale, instead of quality products and installation. The latter by the way the home owner pays for every month with thier insurance premium! The home owner should not get anything less from thier insurance company or thier contractor. Also about working with the home owners insurance company to get agreed pricing for the roofing is common and reasonable. Almost every home owner has no clue what they are really owed for thier damages. Almost every home owner believes that the initial settlement they are given by thier insurance company is fair. In most cases it's not. The reason they believe this is becuase the insurance industry spends billions every year for TV & Radio ads to build trust and faith in the population, so why would they suspect anything less when they have a large claim. Case in point, and you MN guys might know this. The hail storm in 98 caused alot of siding damage. Old 8 inch aluminum siding in colors no longer available. Farmers ended up getting sued because it was contested that they owed for the un-damaged sides of the siding. The case against the insurance company was won, and Farmers and every other insurance company had to go back and pay for the undamaged sides. Did they loose becuase the policy said they owed for it? No. They lost becuase it was determined that the publics confidence and faith in the insurance industry would be lost. How's that? Becuase of the faith and confidence the insurance industry builds in thier marketing efforts. So it was determined that they engaged in unfair and deceptive trade practices, and that's why they lost. Also it's illegal for any one to get money back from an insurance claim. These contractors giving money back are breaking the law and committing insurance fraud and so is the home owner. Our policy is to get an agreed price with the insurance company and that's the price that goes on the contract to the penny. Any home owner who want's it differant we tell them we can't do business with them. __________________ Restore My Home Construction Atlanta Roofing Repair My SN Profile

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11-02-2006, 08:09 AM	#47
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RidgeWalker View Profile RidgeWalker Certified Crazy! Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (404) Photos (1) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Certified Crazy! Trade: Insurance Restoration Roofing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 404	Re: Storm Chasers I have to dissagree with MJW statement as well. I good salemen knows how to sell a job cleanly. If you don't know what that mean in terms of sales you definatly haven't arrived yet. Going rate is very subjective Aaron. One roofers rates may be differant for many differant reasons. I run into this all the time with insurance companies telling me they have 20 contractors who will do my clients job all day long for X/per square. This is why we started using Xactimate, it's the most comprehensive and fair way to scope a job. Xactimate dictates the pricing to all it's user's, unless your like State Farm who get's thier own special price list. That's all together another subject. The problem as I see it in the roofing industry is that you have alot of pick up truck roofers who bid jobs much less becusae they have the cheap mentality. I however am the exact opposite, if I had my way I'd get $270/sq for a single layer 25yr roof up to 8/12. __________________ Restore My Home Construction Atlanta Roofing Repair My SN Profile

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11-04-2006, 11:15 AM	#53
RooferJim View Profile RooferJim Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (536) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: roofing Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 536	Re: Storm Chasers going rate here starts about $400. to 450 a square once you break it down. there are some in the 300 or 350 a square bracket but they are not apples to apples. There are three parts to a roofing business sales, production and administration. or somtimes put getting the work, doing the work and getting the money and paying the bills. RooferJim

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11-04-2006, 10:02 PM	#56
roofwiz74 View Profile roofwiz74 3rd gen,it's in the blood Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (458) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity 3rd gen,it's in the blood Trade: roofing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Roellen,TN Posts: 458	Re: Storm Chasers it's not just storm chasers,there are plenty of idiots out there.I've been on a few warranty jobs done by very reputable companies that were sub standard workmanship. I try not to compete with the cheaper companies,they are gonna get the jobs were price is the factor.Most of the contrators I do work for are more concerned about the quality,and my price really doesn't become a issue.when I do start contracting (5yrs maybe)I plan to market myself to the people I want to do work for.I can't see running around and giving 10 estimates for jobs I know I won't get cause of price.right now I'm gonna shingle while I can.by the time I get tired of it(too late)I will have a few years here behind me of great quality work and healthy relationships with the builders,contractors and homeowners.

11-05-2006, 01:26 PM	#57
RooferJim View Profile RooferJim Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (536) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: roofing Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 536	Re: Storm Chasers Timberline 30 or the equal. three tabs are very very rare to install and we would charge the same or more for a three tab install. Timberline Ultra is an upgrade. closer to Boston they get more RooferJim www.jbennetteroofing.com Last edited by RooferJim; 11-05-2006 at 01:30 PM.

11-05-2006, 08:15 PM	#58
MJW View Profile MJW Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,828) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: General Contractor, Roofing, siding, windows Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MN Posts: 1,828	Re: Storm Chasers I understand everyones viewpoints and respect them. Here is an example of a job we just lost to a storm chaser. It was a 2 layer job, one asphalt one wood shakes. Then putting down 40 yr. Landmarks. The customer had his own materials. Normally we never do this, but this guy seemed real reasonable to work with and was a union cement man. He whined how his company was losing jobs to low-ballers and such. Anyhow, we had the job set for the following week. He calls the day before we start and says he got a "company" to do his job for half our price!!! Our price was very reasonable at $200 a square labor. How can anyone do a job for $100 a square labor!??!!And 2 layers............... Try selling to a guy like that. Whines about his jobs and turns into a hipocrit (sp).

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11-05-2006, 08:20 PM	#59
MJW View Profile MJW Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,828) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: General Contractor, Roofing, siding, windows Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MN Posts: 1,828	Re: Storm Chasers 25 yr. roof.......????????????????What is that??

11-06-2006, 08:35 PM	#60
dougger222 View Profile dougger222 Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,394) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Roofing Contractor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stillwater Minnesota Posts: 1,394	Re: Storm Chasers That's funny, he's complaining about low-ballers and what does he do? He hires himself a LOW BALLER. I'm sorry I don't have time for low ballers. Just looked at a roof my father and I were too late to bid. As soon as we got off the ladder and on the roof we knew it was a hack job at it's finest. Sad to see all that insurance money was wasted. Loosing some jobs to Mexicans (low ballers) and I don't care. The smart homeowners the one's I like to work for always wait out the storm and choice the "right" roofing contractor. The rest are "suckers" and get sold by fast talking salesman. Did I mention I don't run door to door, put signs in peoples yards? I can't stand salesmen trying to pass as "roofers". No longer go to phone book jobs unless I've got nothing better to do or I have a good feeling about them over the phone. Most roofs bids take an hour on the road, half an hour on the roof and an hour in the office. None of my tear offs are with three tabs. I don't try to sell an upcharge for Landmark 30's it's all I lay and would rather lay them than three tabs. Next roof is for a guy who resides on the Minnewonkaton community near Mystic Lake and his wife has opted on Chestnut Landmark Premiums. 60 sq 4/12. With X-actimate most roofs average $315-450 per square one layer. You have to do very detailed drawings too since some "lazy" adjusters like to have you fax your diagram to them rather than go back to the house a second time. BTW, my cousin in law has just hit $2,000,000 in sales on the year through Superior Construction Services. Did 15 roofs for him so far this year and another 3 for his boss the owner and have about 1,000 sq's ready to go. Wish I would have gotten connected with him early this year rather than this Summer.