"Sorry, That's Too Much For My Budget."

Patrick

The f'n materials are gonna cost at least $100 a sq if not more??? WTF? I hope this guy does us all a favor and falls off the roof

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WarnerConstInc.

I know this seems wierd but, the price was just for tearing the shingles off.

No mention of putting anything back on there. Maybe just a real nice tarp or something.

Materials are closer to 115/sq.

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dougger222

I used to bust my butt by myself on new construction 8/12's putting down 25-30 squares a day solo to bring in $1K in work per day. At the time I thought it was great ching but my body didn't think it was worth the money. More than likely the damage I did to my body doing this 3-4 days a week for 6-8 years will cut deeply into my ice fishing retirement time.

Now learned to use my mind more than my body.

$100 a square to tear off 3 layers of 12/12 and then leave it open??? Was grandma going to finish the roof? More than likely her budget is her empty piggy bank.

As far as running a business without debt there's nothing better. Running a roofing business with just one person??? Not a good thing.

Just finished a roof in Western Wisconsin today, nice area. Have another one to do there before the snow flies.

HusqyPro

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jrschultz

Yeah, uh sorry if I wan't clear...I thought I was. This was for stripping old stuff off only...Not to do anything new. Dumpster would be provided for me. That's all the lady wanted done. I'm assuming she thought she could get some kid to do it for $10 an hour or something and then hire the "real" roofers to come the next day. Now you guys are going to say I overshot the bid...Ha!

jrschultz

Not likely. I can fly!

Patrick

Sorry mr lawn mower its just Ive never offered up a proposal to only strip a roof. And it hes going to say he was breaking it out for her, WHY would you? is it like if she said i cant afford the stripping he would just toss another layer on top of the 3 existing ones?

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Patrick

So if she was looking for a $10 an hour kid, how come she called you?

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Mike Finley

Well, what the hell? You're working for $11.00 an hour you told us. You should have split the difference with her and said you'd do it for $10.50 an hour and maybe have granny throw in turning her back for 5 minutes so you can run through her panty drawer.

MJW

Dougger, not all of us have a family of roofers to call on every time a storm comes by. It's pretty tough to pay a decent guy an hourly wage, plus insurance and WC in MN.

I have yet to see a legitimate roofing "crew" here in MN.

This guy would fit right in with all the desperate folks on Craigslist. Just another poser contractor who lives off his wife's paycheck.

J-Peffer

Works out to about 120 a square. I'm assuming she is paying for all the materials?

It works for a one man show I guess, but you'll have to invest in other means of getting jobs if you want to make more than $11 bucks an hour. If all you want to do is make your bills this week, you are on the right track.

Eventually you'll learn, it's just not worth it to do this type of work, alone, for $11 an hour. Eventually you'll have to put some money into advertising, want to start maybe bringing on another guy.

There are very very few guys, who stay one man shows, eventually they grow, or they get a job in a factory. It takes more than the ability to do a roof, to get good jobs, get enough jobs to stay in business, and run a business.

But honestly, for the low over head, if you are getting $120 a square for labor only, it's not that cheap. Even with it being a 12:12 pitch, a good 2 man crew, with 1 ground clean up guy, could have that done in 2 days. A 4 man crew can have it done in a day if there are no issues with sheeting. 2 guys tear it off in about 6 hours, by noon shinglers are there drying in, and shingles delivered. You are shingling by 2PM, and done by 8PM. You might have to come back and finish off the cap, put in a few hours on finishing touches.

But with more over head, comes more efficiency too. One man shows suck, a pickup truck full of all the equipment you "think" you'll need. 3 trips back to your garage later, you have it all. If that compressor does break, a few hours finding the right one to buy, those 1-2 day jobs turn into 1 week jobs, and people are generally just not that impressed when there is a 1978 dodge ram in the drive way for a week, with a mess all over the ground for a 14square roof. They will assume you have a "good" price, and I'm sure anyone looking, or expecting that cheap price will be sure to ask for your number.

I'm not trying to insult you either, I started as a one man show, you can't go very far, with just these 2 hands working. If you just think about today, or this week, you'll be stuck thinking that like forever,because you'll have no choice.

J-Peffer

Wait, you are charging her 125 a square just to tear off? You are ripping the poor old lady off, lol.

WNYcarpenter

On Friday I'll finish a 55sq, tear off, re-roof, 300'+facia, 11 sq soffit job that I did myself for mom and dad!....took me 2 months full time

walked away with 10K....now i'm debt free! and still saved the folks, I'm guessing 10K....30K if my they hired my employer. SUCKED SERIOUS BALLS!!!!

They only thing you need here is liability ins and tax ID......no liscence, no comp if you work alone.

So I collected $500 a week to cover what I normally take home, and made a deal to pay off my debts.....any other contractor would have charged 10K for overhead and proffit, over and above, the actual cost of the roof. so why put that money in someone elses pocket when it helps me out.

I make $17.75 an hour working for my employer....****ty Health care (but thankful I have anything!) 401K....I supply my own tools and vehicle at $472WK (net) when working for someone!....that's considered a decent income in my area! I have overhead my company doesn't cover....my tools and my vehicle that make them $$$$$

$1.25 a sq seems ridiculous, it is. But... you can still be ligitimate if you take home the same $550wk you would take home while making money for someone else.

Not everyone needs the $40K truck, trailer, newest tools to do quality work...as long as you can live happily with $550wk, carry insurance, and don't mind the work......so what! .....you'll be doing the SAME hard work while working for someone else with little freedom and WONT be taking home $550 in an area like mine!

I could start my own company today with my $1000 insurance, no healthcare (unless I was covered by my wife), retirement, overhead and take home $550 a week. That wouldn't make me a hack, cause, otherwise, I'd be lead/forman for a million dollar+ grossing company, bringing home $472 a week!....I'm a little smarter than that, I'm gauranteed employment, ins., retirement, and that is appreciated! I don't have to worry about where the work is coming from.

The Amish kill us because they don't have the same lifestyle most of us do.

The joke is some woman can't afford $1700 dollars for a 13 sq. roof.

I get the OP, I wouldn't do it his way, but I get it.

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jrschultz

Again...This IS a tear off only...Why? I don't know. I was browsing craigslist and stumbled across an add asking for this. I said to myself, "Self, you know how to tear things apart. Give this lady a bid". So that's what this humble siding guy did. The experience was interesting so i posted it on this fine forum. You all had a good time with it I see. Continue on if you would like.

J-Peffer

Sounds like you charged your parents about 150 bucks a square and about 2k to run fascia and soffit.


After materials they paid 300 bucks a square to have their son do their roof.

You certainly did not save them 10k.

1700 to TEAR off a 13 square roof, is hardly a good deal either. We were all under the impression he'd need a compressor. All he needs is a shovel and he can climb up the antenna.

I'm really not trying to give you guys a hard time, but charging 120 a square to just tear a roof off....you need no trade skill, and if you are answering a call off craigslist, you better come down to 20 a square if you want that job.

Good for you if you were able to knock out that job and pay off your debt, it's a smart move. But you probably cost your parents more than if they hired a company equipped to handle a 55 square roof.

Tom Struble

yea chargin mom and dad...well i dont know

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WNYcarpenter

I'll accept that...but I don't think anyone would have touched the roof for less than $400 a sq...for just tear off and replace. I didn't mention the repairs, tuck pointing, and other add ons....perhaps not 10K but they saved....

I pulled the whole thing off for $23K...I referenced a job to a sub I know for a similar project that was only RR, and it was $25K...no repairs, facia, or soffit....with that in mind I saw 30K+....My employer told me candidly 40K just for the roof. So......I took the liberty to throw out numbers because we didn't have any other quotes....which isn't proper, but aren't that far off IMO. I asked with posted pics in my thread in this forum and no-one replied! http://www.contractortalk.com/f15/ro...dgevent-63584/

http://www.contractortalk.com/f15/roof-63881/

I wasn't aware that the OP was only tear off. That was expressed while I was typing my post.....

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I would have handed you cash on the spot and had you put something in writing before you changed your mind. Was she planning on having family roof the thing or something. Oh i forget you said 3 layer tearoff. I bet sheathing is going to need replaced. She could be looking at some money on that roof. I saying this because of the 3 layers it could require some serious amount of sheathing.

MJW

Really doesn't matter what the per square price is. That was his first mistake. The thing is the $1600 for a job......A job that is very dangerous, I might add.

The other part that killed me was that it was a partial job, and the "contractor" who can live on the salary of a bus boy, cutting the throat of all competition.

On the other hand, I can't believe the nerve of the woman who wanted the quote. It's not bailing hay for 50 cents an hour Ma'am. If you noticed, my truck is $700/month, and fuel is not 19 cents a gallon anymore.