Slope/shingle Type Question.

Slyfox

Since the slow down in new construction the past two + years i have to re join the bidding wars more and more on re roofs and with the smaller new construction builders who are continually just using the cheaper price contractors and i found a major problem with my bids are the Walkable an Non Walkable situation.

I split the slopes up as follows:
Walkable is broke up into 2 phases, Dead flat to 2/12 - 3/12 to 6/12
Non Walkable is broke up into 4 phases, 7/12 to 8/12 - 9/12 to 10/12 - 11/12 to 12/12 - Anything steeper.

I also break the materials up as follows:
Shingles are broke up into 4 phases, 25yr to 35yr - 40yr - 50yr/Life - Specialty sytems = Slate, Tile, Metal and Wood Shake "real or fake".
Commercial work i list as negotiable by job size and type because i do not do much in that field and don't advertise for that type work.

Examples: "prices for labor only and with out extras figured in"
6/12 with 25 yr shingles cost 50 per squ.
6/12 with 40 yr shingles cost 55 per squ.

8/12 with 25 yr shingles cost 55 per squ.
8/12 with 40 yr shingles cost 58 per squ.

What i have come across in my bidding wars is that some of the contractors only have 2 set phases which is Walkable and Non Walkable,
so they charge 50 per squ from flat to 7/12 and
55 per squ from 8/12 to 12/12,
plus they have NO extra charge for installing ventilation, i&w, felt etc.


So am i on my own here or do you guys split things up also so more difficult work = more money?

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Ed the Roofer

Every item installed on the roof has a price attached and I break mine out as up to 6/12 as a walk on and add for each inch up to 12/12 and then go into my mansard category for pitch degree of difficulty.

Also, Ice and Water Shield are priced per lineal foot required and so is Ridge Vents and Gutter Apron Drip Edge Flashings and Rake Edge Overhanging Drip Edge Flashinng.

For chimney flashings, each section of metal is charged either as a walk on category or a steep pitch category. A normal 4 sided chimney gets charge my price X 4 sides, wheras a chimney with a saddle gets charged my price X 5 sides and a chimney that sets on the ridge gets charged my price X 6 sides.

Plywood R & R is charged at a per square foot basis.

2 story has a seperate charge.

Each additional layer of tear-off is charged for seperately and equally.

Smart Vent gets charged differently for a skip shething job with a plywood resheathing on top of the planks as compared to just cutting the slot on an original plywood/OSB sheathed deck.

Each soil stack and damper vent and connecting hose kit gets charged for seperately also.

Ed

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Roofsafe

Hey Sly, Ed invited me here and I've been lurking long enough.
First I'd like to say, don't back off the recovers, I believe thats the future for roofing for a while. We charge a little more for recovers than new because they are more work in every area, most guys treat them like they would a new roof, blow and go grab the check and on to the next one. When the wind blows they are no where around when the HO calls about shingles blowing off.
As far as price per pitch we have a saying here, "the steeper the pitch, the steeper the price". Simple but works, if you are good at what you do you are pretty low on your price, even though things are tightening up people will still pay for quality.
I don't stay at one price for every thing because every roof is different, unless you are doing tracts, then you can get a nap while you work and not miss anything.
Doing one recover in a neigborhood almost always generates as many as two or three more, all the homes are the same age and it makes people look at their own roof.
Take a little time, you be suprised how nice you can make them look.