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Old 07-01-2018, 07:45 PM   #21
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askhole: someone who ask for advice and then doesnt take it.

I am a roofer and I promise you that water is not soaking that stone to the point of it running down the wall. If it did soak the stone it would continue to soak the stone at the same rate along the entire stone wall. but what you have is water drip marks meaning that the water is getting behind the counterflashing (thats the flashing you see) and its also running behind the step flashing (the flashing underneath) and dripping into the house where the decking is not flush with the stone. The flashing is not in good shape. look again. I see cracks all along the caulk line and that corner is fubar. But dont take my advice. Its not like I have ever had that same problem. Ive only been roofing for 15 years. What do I know.
I always enjoy your posts Madrina, I wish that you would post more often. I still smile when I picture that Madonna style roof that you drew up, I thought that maybe that would be a possible fix for this mess.
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Old 07-01-2018, 08:34 PM   #22
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That compartment area with the doors and that pipe (unused now) is the original air conditioning unit

The house was switched over to central air long ago and there is nothing in there now and the pipe is not used....no idea why they didnít remove it or cut it out


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That compartment area with the doors and that pipe (unused now) is the original air conditioning unit

The house was switched over to central air long ago and there is nothing in there now and the pipe is not used....no idea why they didnít remove it or cut it out


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Roof looks to have next to zero pitch.

There comes a point in time when patching has to end.

You are at that point.
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askhole: someone who ask for advice and then doesnt take it.

I am a roofer and I promise you that water is not soaking that stone to the point of it running down the wall. If it did soak the stone it would continue to soak the stone at the same rate along the entire stone wall. but what you have is water drip marks meaning that the water is getting behind the counterflashing (thats the flashing you see) and its also running behind the step flashing (the flashing underneath) and dripping into the house where the decking is not flush with the stone. The flashing is not in good shape. look again. I see cracks all along the caulk line and that corner is fubar. But dont take my advice. Its not like I have ever had that same problem. Ive only been roofing for 15 years. What do I know.
There's nothing uniform when it comes to masonry and capillary action, rising damp etc... To promise otherwise proves blind ignorance to those of us that know better. 15 years roofing experience does little to impress me of your vast knowledge of masonry...a roofer should have never countered that chimney in the first place as it the job of the chimney builder to ensure the counter was of true through wall flashing or DPC tray which is impossible to do after the fact.

Not saying it couldn't be the flashing or a multi faceted issue, but to rule out the chimney in ignorance would only treat your clients a disservice.
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Superseal, first, I wouldn't say my knowledge of stone is vast by any stretch, but , does it have to be to say that that stone is not getting soaked to the point that it is soaking the stones below it? The pictures speak for themselves. IF that were the case, is it logical to think the stones got saturated from the roofline to the ceiling, and then decided to start dripping again? Why would the saturation stop and become a surface drip again?

And yes, I agree 100 percent that the flashing should be installed by the Mason during the build , but that's not always how it happens. That flashing looks like pretty good aside from the corner and the places Andy pointed out... I mean it looks like it is tucked in like it should be. But if it's not, if they cut it short, to avoid cutting into the stone that deep, that's where the water is getting in. There and the corner and the places Andy pointed out.

The more I look at those interior pics, the more I think I see the water on the ceiling in a straight line..ie coming off a rafter and rolling to and down the front of the chimney.

Andy you win!

So what you need to do is Jack that fireplace up with some foundation piers and make the water run the other way. Problem solved.
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Cracks like this will allow water to get behind the flashing if the lip is cut short
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By the way I have F@#$#d up everything that can possibly be f@#$&d up in life, so I only speak from experience.
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So here lies the challenge with chasing leaks. There have been several suggestions as to the possible cause. ALL of which have merit. And it's also possible that ALL points of entry are contributing at different times.


Let's consider that there is less often leaking (if at all) happening at an apex versus a point to which water drains. While the 'pookie' at the flashing corner is suspect, it's also an apex and would see very little cumulative drainage. My suspicion is the 'pookie' was more likely an attempt by a prior leaking chaser grasping at straws than it was any real treatment be diagnosis.


Discussing the flashing should be considered in two respects, the step flashing and the counter flashing. It's relatively easy to isolate the two in a water test. Running a hose at the roof line and slightly above (not touching the stone) would determine if there is any defect in the way the step flashing carries away the water. It might be possible to show a leak with a hose that would never show up under natural weather conditions, so that thought should remain as part of the chase.


The second step would be to flood water over the stone. This is a bit of a multi-stage process as one is still trying to isolate a leak. Flooding the whole chimney at once makes isolation more challenging.


My money goes on the second step and I think that is also the conclusion made by Madrina and Superseal.


Full through flashing pans described by SS may be the best practice, but as Madrina pointed out, rarely are they found in the more modern residential constructions. So we usually find a ground out mortar joint or possibly a flashing laid into the mortar during construction (but still only goes in a couple inches at best).


To address the specific project from the OP, the counter flashing is pretty tidy and the idea, short of rebuilding the chimney, is a fairly standard practice. The execution, however, may have come up short. If the tuck at the mortar joints is too shallow and not well sealed, failure is more likely in a soaking condition.


So where does that leave this specific project. Obviously that's up to the OP, but angles of approach have been offered. I am inclined to believe the tuck is insufficient at the counter flashing. If one looks at the location of the stains inside relative to the organic stains on the chimney outside, we see the darkest staining is somewhat in line with the wettest interior sections.


So what does one offer to the HO in a case like this? Some of us do not have time for attempted fixes, so we are likely to cover more bases at first offering. Some of us are willing to spend less of the HO's money and see what band-aid sticks. It's up to the individual contractor which approach they take.


I don't know much about 'sealing' stone, but that would be part of the suggested fix.


The joint at the counter flashing may be able to be ground out without replacing the actual metal. A 4-1/2 angle grinder gets you about 1-1/4" deep cut. If you can get that without damage to the counter flashing, you may be able to essentially re-tuck point the counter flashing ( I would point with urethane). The joint needs to be thoroughly blown out and clean. Taping the stone and metal followed by tooling the urethane will give superior results to just trying to 'pump' it in there with a caulk gun.



Full replacement of the step and counter flashing, combined with the cleaning and sealing of the chimney, combined with remediation of the small siding elements pointed out in A&E's posts would be the whole package.
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