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09-06-2007, 09:20 AM
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Roofing Nightmare!
check out this site a H.O. put up
the site is roofing nightmare dot com
What do you think of that?
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09-06-2007, 11:06 AM
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Pro
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Roofing Contractor
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I saw his site a long time ago and he does a masterful job of documentation, plus spams certain other forums with the posting of his site posed as a question for others to draw their attenton.
I pity anyone who screws that guy over.
Ed
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09-06-2007, 11:42 AM
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Expert Roofer
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ROOFING/HOME IMPROVEMENTS-WINDOWS/SIDING/GUTTERING/COPPER WORK,ETC
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Location: pomona,new york,10970
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09-06-2007, 11:55 AM
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Expert Roofer
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ROOFING/HOME IMPROVEMENTS-WINDOWS/SIDING/GUTTERING/COPPER WORK,ETC
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Location: pomona,new york,10970
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looks like a mess,and that the crew was not qualified for the work,but also seems the h/o was a nightmare in his own right,the job looked like it should take 4-5 days tops 
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09-06-2007, 12:30 PM
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Thom
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General Contractor/Homebuilder
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Location: Albuquerque NM
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I don't believe that price wasn't the determining factor.
A shingle overlay on a shake roof? He had to get recommendations to do a tear off. I believe the owner started with CHEAP in mind.
No roofer should have sold this job. A shingle overlay over an old shake roof is asking for problems
No owner should have bought this job.
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09-06-2007, 02:25 PM
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Mod / ArchiBuilder
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Design/Build Construction
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Location: ArkLaTexOma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed the Roofer
I pity anyone who screws that guy over.
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Thats an understatement!
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09-06-2007, 03:41 PM
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Fentoozler
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Professional Pie and Pastry Taster
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Location: New Jersey
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He needed a bigger sign!
I can totally relate to that HO.
I hired a fence co. to put up appx. 160' of PVC fence...their estimate: 2 weeks ~ the reality: about 4 months ....and the job was never 100% completed by them.
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09-06-2007, 03:42 PM
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Pro
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General Contractor, Roofing, siding, windows
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If you look at the pictures, those guys are obviously not roofers. This is the problem when companies get too big. They hire people that don't know what they are doing. Where is the boss? Who is the professional?
Since we went from 7-8 guys down to 2-4, we have way less problems and the homeowner gets a better job. It's easier when the boss is on the job every day and everything is overlooked by a pro.
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09-06-2007, 04:05 PM
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Fentoozler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
If you look at the pictures, those guys are obviously not roofers.
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How's that?
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09-06-2007, 04:16 PM
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Pro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic
How's that?
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They look like framers and half wits to me. No knee pads, bostich guns, working off of a ladder, wood handled hammers, harnesses on a 5/12 pitch, their gloves, their shoes, their clothes, the mess they have on the roof, lifting shingles that are already laid down, multiple guys on the roof without even a tool belt, guys that are obviously way too far out of shape to do anything........I could go on and on...........
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09-06-2007, 04:19 PM
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Pro
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Oh, and who runs a hose from the compressor in the truck out on the road! LOL!!
This is a hack job from a company that uses high end shingles and a big name.
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09-06-2007, 04:24 PM
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Fentoozler
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So now I know 
Honestly...my first thought was: Are these guys framers?
This guy looks like he has all the right props:
Safety Glasses
Harness
Coil (?) nailer
Cool Side burns
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09-06-2007, 04:30 PM
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Pro
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I don't see a starter under the shingles on the right hand side of the hip and why did he have to re-do the bottom of the hip anyways? I forgot since it has been so long and I would really prefer not to have to read through that entire post with all of his side bar links to additional information.
By the way, you forgot to mention the earing too.
Ed
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09-06-2007, 05:35 PM
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The Duke
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Location: Portland, Maine
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They look like framers and half wits to me.
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most times, we are both the same person...framers and half wits LOL.
I myself never did much roofing...but I know you start...at the bottom...and go.....up!
I thought it looked like Washington. Soffits are unusual there, that's what threw me.
What's wrong with coil nailer? Except that it's a DeWalt.
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09-06-2007, 08:00 PM
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Member
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roofing
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I got another one, It's badroofing dot com. This is one about home depots name brand service.
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09-06-2007, 08:46 PM
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Pro
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General Contractor, Roofing, siding, windows
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Nothing wrong with the coil nailer, but yes, it's a dewalt. The others are bostich. Only framers and HO's use them. Most full-time roofers use Hitachi or better.
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09-06-2007, 08:52 PM
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Pro
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09-06-2007, 09:12 PM
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Member
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roofing
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how bout those shoes, are they "vans" ?
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09-06-2007, 09:14 PM
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Celtic's #1 Fan
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james, just out of curiosity, how long have you run your own company?
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09-06-2007, 09:22 PM
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Member
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roofing
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The answer is Zero. I have been a residential roofing salesman for seven years. I do look forward to going out on my own, in due time.
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