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Roof Estimating And Drawing Program


I posted this in the software forum, but figured it may be more beneficial over in this section.

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Old 12-29-2009, 11:46 AM   #2
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Re: Roof Estimating And Drawing Program


Hi Ed.
You seem to be a bit of an expert with this computor estimating.I have been asked to source a stand alone, easy to use, estimating program for a small pitched roofing company out in the west that operates in the boonies. He is not very computer savvy and he does not want satellite or internet linkage. Thanks

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Craftsman National Estimator using the version for remodeling might be simple and powerfull enough for him, but nothing replaces personal experiences and recorded data of common tasks during varying weather and other unregulated conditions thrown into the mix.

Here is a link to their softwares available.

http://craftsman-book.com/products/i...index&cPath=45

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Re: Roof Estimating And Drawing Program


You can also look into contracker ez. I looked into it and it sounds like it will do what youa re asking, but I rejected it because it didn't do exactly what I wanted exactly how I wanted and the multi user version is pricey. However for someone not so anal (like me) and not really computer saavy, it'll be just fine.
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You can also look into contracker ez. I looked into it and it sounds like it will do what youa re asking, but I rejected it because it didn't do exactly what I wanted exactly how I wanted and the multi user version is pricey. However for someone not so anal (like me) and not really computer saavy, it'll be just fine.
I forgot about that one Grumpy, but Yes, that would be a decently priced option also. I believe that it costs right around $100.00.

http://www.contracker.com/overview.html

(Dead Link to the pricing page...???)

A link to a previous discussion of comparisons on this forum... http://www.contractortalk.com/f16/es...25-08-a-46873/

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Thanks for your help. He is asking me for a software program that allows him to enter dimensions from a roof drawing onto his laptop and then the software will provide him with roofing material quantities such as squares of material, footage of valley, ridge, rakes etc.
I guess I didn't word my question correctly.
He does not want to have to send in data or use a satellite. I see there are ones like RoofScape & RoofCad. That type of program, but without the satellite imagery or sending data in to a company for them to return the estimate......... Tks Chris
( Estimating up here means to actually figure out the quantities - sorry for the confusion)
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He is asking me for a software program that allows him to enter dimensions from a roof drawing onto his laptop and then the software will provide him with roofing material quantities such as squares of material, footage of valley, ridge, rakes etc.
I use the free version of Sketchup for "take-off" or as you call it, "estimating".

After getting through the learning curve, I can draw a roof plan in 3d as fast or faster than I can hand draw a 2d plan. I then let the program do the calculations, so there's minimal chance of a math error.

Here's an example:

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It seriously takes me about 10 minutes once i have a simple rough (very rough) sketch of a roof with some measurments to make an accurate material list in a template I use with excel.

Maybe less.

IMO it's not worth taking the time to learn the software or the money to buy it/update it for material list/estimates.
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For whatever reason a couple of years ago, I was not able to get this free version downloaded or my registration did not go through, but it still sounds like a viable free option from applicad.

http://roofestimating.com/

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If all he is wanting is something he can plug roof dimensional information in that would spit out a material list automatically, that could be done rather easily with an Excel Spread Sheet. The math is simple, therefore the formulas are simple. This assumes he has the roof data for area, hip & ridge, valley, eave and perimeter. We used to utilize a multi sheet Excel workbook that would take the contact information, insurance claim information and roof data and would output material order, roof crew instructions, insurance and Customer invoices, Warranty Certificate, cost out, etc.. I scrapped that about a year ago in favor of a highly customized data base I put together utilizing ACT! as the engine.
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Last time I looked into Contracker it was close to 3K for the program. David Duschaine has a very simple program that calculates SF off of rafter lenths or you can simply put the SF in yourself. You create your line item descriptions and your pricing points to fit your company (the guy obviously knows what he charges per unit) as creatively as you would like and the software creates a very nice proposal with pictures and captions (if you so choose) in a few minutes. Once a client is set up, you can invoice, email, etc. to them. For the money $99.00 there is absolutely nothing that compares to it on the market. It's not fancy, web-based, or complicated. Just a access based program where some guy has done the legwork for you and all you have to do is sell the job.

www.roofestimatepro.com

David is pretty 'salesy' and the website is almost like a monster truck ralley adverisement, but once you get passed all that, the program is pretty nifty for a hun.
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I have still yet to find what these programs offer that I am not able to do in Quickbooks...
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I have still yet to find what these programs offer that I am not able to do in Quickbooks...
It's mainly just presentation for salesmen. Our customers are more interested in what we can do for their house rather than any sales tactics, but we are more rural than most on this site.
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It's mainly just presentation for salesmen. Our customers are more interested in what we can do for their house rather than any sales tactics, but we are more rural than most on this site.
Yes I guess so. The people I deal with seem more interested in how the roof process will go rather then all the extra show.

I have what I feel like is a pretty good system. People are also interested in learning more about the products being used.
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Xactware.com
I use and have used Xactimate Contractor addition for a while. I like that an overwhelming percentage of the insurance industry use it as well. It makes supplements a breeze..and they get approved! Now Xactimate is a bit expensive and you never own it, but u certainly get what u pay for.
You don't have to be connected to the Internet to do an estimate, sketch, and upload photos with notes.,you just have to connect one time a month, at the first of the month to download the new pricelist. They send you a "fair market value for replacement costs" price list that's determined by a ton of research and priced according to your area for every home construction trade you can think of!!! If property insurance covers it, it's there! From the Pool to the satellite dish!!!
They just made an industry changing update to their sketch portion of the software; you now can measure the roof from space!! They took in Eagleview a while back and now you can do the Eagleview on your own without paying any extra money!!!! It's badass and you'll look good handing your Estimate (or should I say detailed report) to the customer, insurance company, contractor, etc...
I just scratched the surface of Xactimate..go to xactware.com and download the free trial version. Prepare to be blown away sir!!
Good luck to all...and I hope this helps someone progress..?
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Why would you hand a detailed report to the insurance company? It is THEIR job to come up with that report, not you.

I understand the roofers always work with HO and their insurance companies (I do it too) but I only give generic descriptions of what will be done. Truthfully, there is no reason for a contractor to get involved as it really is between the HO and ins. Company.
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The new version of Xactimate, 27.3, does indeed have an aeriel sketching module. I've played with it a little and frankly am not very impressed. It appears to be something that will work for relatively simple roofs but lacks enough user control to work for more complex, multi level cut up roofs.

I can see plenty of reasons to be proactive with the insurance and offer them my detailed estimate. Unless I provide the details of what we plan to do, it's difficult to argue with their bid. Xactimate allows us to speak in the same language. Not a perfect program by any means but it does work reasonably well with the insurance side of the business.
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On roofs that are really cut up and steep, I use Geo-estimator. I really like to see the difference in the amount of squares that calculates compared to the insurance adjuster. I have a meeting next Tuesday for a really cut up roof (again). Around 25 different planes, 3 different elevations and 4 different pitches. It should be interesting.

All I am going to do is point to the adjuster where I see damage and ask him if he agrees. Then I am going to ask him if he feels like 20k for a new roof is cheap compared to the 500k+ this house costs.

If you are doing work for Xactimate prices, you ARE selling yourself short.
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BamBamm, if we just took all the Adjuster's first cuts at their estimates, you are right, we would be selling ourselves short. However, we don't. We are proactive by bringing the estimate to the Adjuster meeting and reviewing it with the Adjuster. We almost always have additional line items beyond what would be on their standard scope.

Bottom line, we probably average around $275 per square for 3 tab and $325 per square on 30 Year. That doesn't make us instant millionaires for sure but it pays the bills and we average near 90% approval rates because of our good relationship with the Adjusters. We do other exterior work and interiors so we get O&P a reasonable amount of the time as well. I can live with it.
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BamBamm, if we just took all the Adjuster's first cuts at their estimates, you are right, we would be selling ourselves short. However, we don't. We are proactive by bringing the estimate to the Adjuster meeting and reviewing it with the Adjuster. We almost always have additional line items beyond what would be on their standard scope.

Bottom line, we probably average around $275 per square for 3 tab and $325 per square on 30 Year. That doesn't make us instant millionaires for sure but it pays the bills and we average near 90% approval rates because of our good relationship with the Adjusters. We do other exterior work and interiors so we get O&P a reasonable amount of the time as well. I can live with it.
Correct! The adjusters, most of the time do not include necessary items in their estimate. So your left to deal with the adjuster sitting at a desk somewhere...Xactimate allows you to provide all the items you feel are necessary to complete the job and the desk jockey can comprehend. The pricing is far from "selling yourself short"..? If you know how to operate Xactimate, and what items are necessary, im talking every single relative item you can find, every BSC you can apply, and utilize the different trades to to obtain O&P.
At times I have to manipulate certain items to lower the total on jobs not Claim related..just so I'm within $20 a square of my competitor...!?
I do allot of Ladder assists for a few adjusters and Xactimate is a big plus in their eyes.! I've got one adjuster I do them for and he never goes to the houses..He'll send me to do the inspection, and to prepare my estimate (Xactimate). He'll take my estimate, change the letterhead, and add the policy info documents to it..! He tells the insured that I'm his preferred contractor and that they should seriously consider using me to complete their claim (do the job). Plus I get $paid$ for each inspection whether it's denied, approved, or if I do or don't get the work...
I'm not tryin to brag, I'm just tryin to stress how crucial Xactimate is to the industry...and that the claim isn't just between the HO and their insurance co, but between the 3 parties...We get the HO what they deserve and what's needed to complete the work correctly.

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