Pricing Help

promptgutters

Hello all, lots of great info in here. Got a question (please don't flame me, new to the business, pricing wise anyways). I understand there is really no set way of pricing a roofing job since basically you need to cover your own expenses, however I am trying to figure some sort of formula. I see you all speaking of "Sq", is that 1 square foot or something else. If so what makes up a sq? Basically I am trying to come up for a price to fix the rood on a small extension on the back of a house. Measures 12x24 or 288 sq/ft. There is a slight pitch and 1 layer of 3-tab however there are soft spots so there must be dryrot. Me and my partner will strip the roof and replace the bad areas with plywood and re-shingle with new 3-tab. So how would I come up with a price for something like this?

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RooferJim

you should ice shield the whole thing if its a slight pitch. priceing will vary depending on what part of the country you are.

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red_cedar

I often come up with various pricing based on the materials used and how many hrs. Then I multiply that by the hourly rate. Then somtimes I add more to that. I call that the misc labor line item.

Only you would know what would be involved in the price for your proposed work and what is not.

snapper21

sq. is 100 sq. ft.

MJW

Figure 3 square of ice shield cost and 3 square of shingles cost. Then figure out a labor price. Being you are already there it will be a lower price than having someone come out separately. Any roofer would probably charge $300-$500 just for labor and coming out. It is hard to post prices online because everyone's situation, areas, and livelyhood are different.

IHI

Very hard to price online since soo many variables are involved. Average price per square for a sinlge layer tear off on a single story walkable is $225-250/sq and plywood replacement is at $75/sheet. Prices go higher for all other variables if multi layer tear off involved, steep un walkable pitch, anythiing over 1.5 stories, shingle brand, how much ridge is needed, etc...

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Scott Young

you can be exact on the roofing price, but don't commit to the carpentry part. You can give estimates per sheet of decking. you may have some rafter damamge but you will not know until you open it up. mention all of this on the front. if i replace decking i charge by the sheet. even if i only use a small portion of it.

RooferJim

250 a sq would be ridiculously low here. even for a gypsy outfit.

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IHI

LOL, there's the demographics for ya, $250/sq here is doing very very good for a simple ranch single layer tear off and 35 yr laminate. In fact many jobs are lost when your over $225/sq here. On my new garages I pay my subs $25/sq to install roofing-I have all sheeting down so all they have to do deal with roofing materials. Most I've ever paid is $45/sq for that service and my $25/sq guy actually does a better job and is pickier than the $45/sq guy...go figure.

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joasis

Comp roofs in my part of the US go for $25 + $5 for every extra layer tearoff, and $35-$45 to install, including drip edge and felt with high definition a little higher. And the dumpster fee or disposal if you have a truck. Over 8/12 or 2 story doubles the labor.

AaronB.

The only 35 year laminate around here are those crap Atlas shingles. My god those things are thin. Your 45 a square guy running a business or just himself?

How can the 25 a square guy pay all the burdens and still manage to lmake a decent living off that?

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AaronB.

WHat does the term "they go for" mean to you?

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mattp

I live in a small Missouri town and I get about 190.00-210.00 a square that includes 1 layer tear off all labor and materials included. This is a 1 story walkable roof, not to cut up (valleys and hips)

IHI

round here that means the safe price window you can bid a job for to actually make money just above operating costs and just under the homeowner chasing you out of the house with a gun. Call it the "normal price range" for 90% of jobs being sold in the area.

$25/guy and $45/guy are single subs with 2 helpers-dont know how the cheap guy does is other than sheer volume-he's typically booked up ALL year everyday so I think the wal mart biz plan actually is working for him. $45/sq for a single layer lay down is a very very good wage.

Shingles are typically either CRC, Owens Corning, Certainteed, or IKO-comes down to whatever installers like installing, what homeowner is comfortable with "name wise", and if you want to make beer moneysince they only vary $1-$5/sq it's not a huge factor.

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Grumpy

search "a gift for my friends" It will have all you need. Just plug in your numbers.

RooferJim

It woudnt be even worth doing roofing in those parts of the country.
one of the problems with the industry is there are too many people that dont think of the big picture and will will just work for wages "low wages at that !" Roofers are a skilled trade "a craft" let the cheap builders do it themselves and let them have all the headaches that come with an economy roof.
"Yes there are a lot of guys out there installing roofing that really arnt journymen roofers."

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IHI

Jim I understand completely your ideas, but until EVERY contractor in EVERY trade unite and have a set pricing for an area this concept will never happen-great theory, but impossible. Low ballers have been around for a long time and will continue to do so...and since nobody ever wants to pay anymore than they have to it's almost a "forced trade format" to get work weather it be from big generals, city/state projects, or home owners. And like I said our local economy has a low cost of living rate compared to many around the country and lower income ratios so $100 might not get you much where your at, but here it goes a little ways so in the big picture it's all reaitive. Taxes are typically $1000/yr for a 1200 sqft ranch that can be purchased for around $60-70K, put these same houses in California or some other larger community and you could easily fetch over $200-300K for the same thing-just on a different plot of land.

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RooferJim

boy thats somthing, 300 is for a fixer uper or a knock down. its more like 500 and up for a normal house some towns further inland 400s. a good house lot will run you 300 as well. I need move out of this state, thanks for your good work uncle Teddy.

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maj

I can vouch for IHI, we're in the same state(about an hour's drive).Where I live is even cheaper, more rural. Last year my property taxes were $676, That's for the whole year!!And I live on 2 1/2 acres with 1400 sq. ft. 4 bedroom house, and my garage/shop is 32'X80' (2560 sq.ft.)

Cost of living is soooooo much less than other areas of the country. I have a repeat customer who moved here from the cities(Minneapolis/St. Paul) that sold his little ranch up there. He bought a 120 year old house in town(one of the nicer ones), I built him a garage/office(complete with his own rock climbing wall, and spiral staircase) for $75,000. He still has money left from the sale of the little shack in the cities.

IHI

Yeah, your rural guys got it easy more less on taxes-claim ag land or federal grass land and your free LMAO!! BUT, you guys make up for it with the 1hr commutes to get to anywhere ...I'm spoiled in the fact anyting I need is within 10 minutes drive time

Small towns are literally giveing away free land for people to build homes on to try and boost population/tax base, I see IA is trying to get a bill passed that would eliminate ALL state taxes for retired folks living here to try and keep them in state instead of going out of state to retire.

Farmland purchase prices...now tha'ts a whole nother ball game, wish I was sitting on a few thousnd acres I could've sold off in the past few yrs-heard first hand per arce prices ranging from $10K-$25K per

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