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Old 08-07-2017, 01:48 PM   #1
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Hi. I am in the middle of an upscale spec house. I am the GC/framer/finisher/etc. It has this bay window that got located a little too close to the adjacent wall, so it was pretty tight for clearance with the guttering. My regular roof contractor has a sub who does all his copper. I was expecting a vertical standing seam. I got a horizontal installation. I can take the look of it, but I am not sure about a couple things. 1) The flashing up against the brick is not set into the wall. It is sealed directly to the brick veneer with some kind of silicone or similar sealer. There is not a lot of water to hit it at that location, but I am not sure what to make of it. 2) He put the vertical caps in place with copper nails straight through the caps into the sheathing. Is that going to hold up? Is water going to get in?



I am not suggesting these details are wrong. I don't know. Maybe this is perfectly acceptable for this installation.

What do you guys think?
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Old 08-07-2017, 03:21 PM   #2
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Are you positive that it is not cut in? That is my only question. It looks nice and I am stealing the pics for an example.

I personally prefer stepped counter flashing

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It is definitely not cut in. The installer told me that he didn't want to try to cut it in because of the clearance issues with the gutter on the right.

I also think it looks fine. This is just a new one for me. I'm the guy who they would call if it starts to leak in a couple years!
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It is definitely not cut in. The installer told me that he didn't want to try to cut it in because of the clearance issues with the gutter on the right.

I also think it looks fine. This is just a new one for me. I'm the guy who they would call if it starts to leak in a couple years!
I would pull the gutter, soffit, and facia in that corner so the guy has some room to work up in there. If there is ever an issue that will be the spot it happens in. You definitely want your counter cut in
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It's wrong...all wrong. Technically that brickwork should have been through wall flashed in anticipation of that window.

It will leak at sometime...

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The way the valley and wall drain above the bay window, the suggestion that it won't see a lot of water is optimistic.

If a leak shows up around the interior on that side of the bay you won't know whether it's the wall, the window or the valley......or all three.

Flashing glued to the wall and face nailed metal work is expected only from some combination of inexperienced, budget constrained or hack.

Super Seal's through wall example is not seen often in my area, but a ice/water membrane on the deck of the bay and up the wall, prior to the brick veneer, can provide through wall protection.
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I agree completely. I have decided to ask the contractor to come back and install a top flash that is cut into the veneer correctly. I would have been happy to have pulled the gutter if he had asked (or if he had shown up on schedule, there wouldn't have been a gutter there yet).

That intersection of roof and wall and gutter on the right is going to see a lot of water. Undoubtedly some of it is going to be hitting that area at the bay window roof.
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Covering the vent..is that how it's done?
You have another option for me on that particular window there smart guy
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You have another option for me on that particular window there smart guy
Leave it short (or move the vent).
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Leave it short or move the vent.
Look here mr knows it all, I didn't do the roof, just the copper and we all know the homeowner isn't paying to move the stupid vent
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Look here mr knows it all, I didn't do the roof, just the copper and we all know the homeowner isn't paying to move the stupid vent
Sorry, my bad. I thought I was looking at the spec home of the OP. If your client is cool, so am I.
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I agree completely. I have decided to ask the contractor to come back and install a top flash that is cut into the veneer correctly. I would have been happy to have pulled the gutter if he had asked (or if he had shown up on schedule, there wouldn't have been a gutter there yet).

That intersection of roof and wall and gutter on the right is going to see a lot of water. Undoubtedly some of it is going to be hitting that area at the bay window roof.
Did you get this all fixed up?
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It is definitely not cut in. The installer told me that he didn't want to try to cut it in because of the clearance issues with the gutter on the right.

I also think it looks fine. This is just a new one for me. I'm the guy who they would call if it starts to leak in a couple years!
Does the valley on the right dead end into that wall?

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