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Old 03-07-2018, 08:51 PM   #41
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2 versus 3 layers, flashing, A home owner could catch thatpeaks/valleysWhat are they going to catch after the shingles are up? Especially since they aren't going up on a multi level roof and can't possible see all of that from the ground., missing drip edgeHome owner could catch that, but again, how much of that can they see from the ground?, uniformityagain do you need an inspector to catch that?, proper shingle alignment You are grasping at straws , etc. most generally visible from the road... there are other issues, but requires a more diligent inspection...

Sorry KAP that was weak even for you. Like I said,
there isn't much to inspect on a roof especially since they are inspecting after it's complete. The major stuff like flashing and I&W is covered.


If that's truly the case, are you saying we shouldn't have any inspections?

Gov't inspection and regulation, yes. I think it could be done privately. Say I buy X shingle. X shingle completes the inspection.
When you buy a car the manufacturer inspects it, not an outside gov't agency. Then there would be no issue with warranty to boot.


While I'm not a big fan or bureaucracy, in combination with the private sector, it has lead to increases in best practices...

Well I guess they could rely on YouTube...

I think that there is a lot of useful information on youtube. I am pretty sure that you've used it to educate yourself on something. Most manufacturers put out great videos. Also many contractors have put out excellent videos. However, I was speaking more about reference materials.

Maybe the answer lies in outside certified inspections that have liability attached, like house inspectors do... get the government out of it altogether...
I would be okay with that, but I still in roofing the manufacturer would be better. For other items I would be for private inspections of some sort.
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Old 03-07-2018, 09:04 PM   #42
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"Catching it" and understanding what to look for are two different things... if it worked liked your hypothetical, there wouldn't be people being scammed, nor would we have to worry about hacks...

In the case of the roof, it's not like the customer is going to go up and inspect it...

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"Catching it" and understanding what to look for are two different things... if it worked liked your hypothetical, there wouldn't be people being scammed, nor would we have to worry about hacks...

In the case of the rood, it's not like the customer is going to go up and inspect it...
Grasping at more straws I see. One can't "catch it" unless they "understand" what they are looking for, so not two different things.

You assertion that if it worked that way no one would get scammed is also false. People have become lazy. They buy a house and don't want or care to know anything about it. How is that move the responsibility to the gov't to protect them? Do you worry about other things you buy that aren't inspected by the gov't?

Not to mention plenty of people still get scammed under a permit system. When it only takes a day to reroof, it's a pretty easy work around.

We don't need a permit for roof replacement in Naperville. I have yet to see a bad roof let alone enough to warrant a permit and inspection.
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Grasping at more straws I see. One can't "catch it" unless they "understand" what they are looking for, so not two different things.

You assertion that if it worked that way no one would get scammed is also false. People have become lazy. They buy a house and don't want or care to know anything about it. How is that move the responsibility to the gov't to protect them? Do you worry about other things you buy that aren't inspected by the gov't?

Not to mention plenty of people still get scammed under a permit system. When it only takes a day to reroof, it's a pretty easy work around.

We don't need a permit for roof replacement in Naperville. I have yet to see a bad roof let alone enough to warrant a permit and inspection.
Yeah, not buying it... roofing aside, what permits do you submit to?

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