[Cad-Man]

There are isolated areas of a roof where the nails are popping out of the aluminum rake board cover and certain areas of the fascia. Could this be because of the type of nails that were used? What about replacing the typical nails with screw threaded nails?

Do you also run your felts over the ice and water shield (underlayerment) to the edge of the roof sheathing? Do you use shingle starter strips with this kind of application as well?

[Same Old]

architects.

You draw pictures, let someone else worry about how to build it.

[Cad-Man]

the reason why my job is messed up is because you contractors don't know how to read and follow the specs.

[AaronB.]

Chit, man, I didn't even know I did your job.

Oh, you didn't mean ALL contractors.

Nails popping? Like aluminum nails backing out? Is the fascia board intact?

Underlayment....under the felt, over the edge, and 2 feet inside the warm wall.

Starter shingles....ABSOFRIGGINLUTELY.

[red_cedar]

The nails are working loose because of the movement of the metal.

[roofwiz74]

that's why I drill my holes and use ring shanked stainless nails.

I have never met an architect that thought his dead valleys were a bad idea.I get told what they want,it ends up being what either is right or works.

[Ed the Roofer]

Originally Posted by Cad-Man

the reason why my job is messed up is because you contractors don't know how to read and follow the specs.

Thats a very pleasant way to introduce youself to contractors who like to share their views on what will help each other out and provide more successful methods of aleveating problems down the road.

Would you like to start over and try again? Are you seeking to learn something, or just lash out at the industry contractors on this forum?

How detailed are your specifications?

Do you say, install aluminum fascia to industry standards?

Or, Do you state; Install aluminum fascia to be overlapped shingle style and fastened using ring shank stainless steel nails of matching color spaced at such and such intervals for proper securement to the fascia boards.

Do you specify that the carpenter contractor install his deck sheathing all the way to be butted up to the interior side of the fascia board or is it left undescriptve? If so, how much of a gap is allowable from the vertical edge of the deck sheathing to the interior side of the fascia board?

Or, do you just assume that they and anyone else will "do what is right", and find out later that their was no solid decking to nail the pieces of O.D.E into to cover the top edge of the aluminum fascia?

Post you standard roofing specifications and possibly some areas could be expanded upon.

Ed

[Bone Saw]

Ed, the guy asked a perfectly legitimate question, followed by a mentally retarded response, I have received similar mentally retarded responses from said respondent, and would have responded the same. I think CADMAN could would be an asset around here, give the guy a break

[Same Old]

Originally Posted by Cad-Man

the reason why my job is messed up is because you contractors don't know how to read and follow the specs.

ok. I have a masters in Arch. Thanks for playing.

[Ed the Roofer]

Bone Saw,

Thats why I asked him to repost in a more diplomatic manner.

Also, even though his 1st post was a legitimate question, the 2nd post immediately crucified all contractors as a whole and lumped everyone together in the statement.

Now, lets see if he is willng to participate in a non-accusatory manner, even though he has already revealed his feelings about what he thinks about contractors.

How detailed are his specifications?

Ed

[Bone Saw]

Originally Posted by Ed the Roofer

even though his 1st post was a legitimate question, the 2nd post immediately crucified all contractors as a whole and lumped everyone together in the statement.



Ed

I see where you're going with this Ed, and agree to a point, but weather or not cad saves face with and explanation of the "you contractors" remark, the guy's response to his first post was an attack of sorts, that's all. far as crucifying, well I'm sure most here can read between the lines here, otherwise we may need to retain the moderating services of sharpton and jackson here

[Ed the Roofer]

If the original poster desires to improve the line of communication between his written specifications for proper performance and adherance to quality specifications, I would be glad to add some, hopefully, insightful commentary, as I am sure many other members would as well.

It probably would not be that bad of an idea to reveal some of our own descriptive phraseology for others to nit-pick for user friendliness and clarity sake.

When I help build my new office computer this weekend, I should be able to transfer all of my old documents and files, so that might make an interesting thread too.

Ed