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Old 02-04-2008, 08:44 PM   #21
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For the record ,I have no problem when they follow the same laws and regulations,even contribute to the system as we do,all I ever asked for was a level playing field--when they use stolen identities,phony licenses,don`t pay taxes.and take advantage of medical care our taxes pay for when they have money and don`t contribute to the system because they send all their money out of the us,I have a problem with it,if they come here to work ,pay taxes,and raise their children here ,meanwhile contributing to the system,I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THAT
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:57 PM   #22
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We have laws for a reason........we cannot support everyone, are country is being invaded.

What kills me is when they look at me, like I am the stranger in this country.

The border should have been secured on 9/11.....................
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Old 02-04-2008, 09:08 PM   #23
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Yes they need to build a wall . I also take offence to things being printed in Spanish, if they refuse to speak the language of this country they should not be allowed in period. There were many Italiens,Germans Polish etc.. that was glad to addapt to our language and culture in decades past. People need to wake up.
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and Irish as well,thats an aspect that`s quite annoying---back to that level playing field I`m talking about
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Old 02-04-2008, 10:13 PM   #25
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I agree with much of the last few posts except the wall idea. That's going to cost a fortune. The one on the Canadian border will cost much more. Then we move on to the two seaboards. Coast Guard picket lines?

THINK, broaden your horizons. Learn Latino, RosettaStone. It's no big deal. My dad spoke 6 different dialects of Spanish, Polynesian, Russian and a few others. I never got the hang of it but I can still get around in Spanish, French, Italian, Greek and enough words in some other languages to get me a beer and to the bathroom.
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The border should have been secured on 9/11.....................
and what would that be for?

teetorbilt...good points here, man
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some short term memory loss perhaps.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:18 AM   #28
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If your going to build walls and tell people thier no longer welcome we need to find a good engraver to scratch out or re word the scripture on the statue of liberty and get the polititians busy ammending the constitution first.

Securing our borders should have been done before 9/11 but that has nothing to do with immigrants illegal or not, because not every person trying to get a chance at the american dream wants to destroy america.

Finding a solution to our illegal immigrants has nothing to do with our borders it has to do with us and our polititians.

Secure borders will help with the process of dealing with our terrorist problem.

I did a re roof a few months ago and while i was working a home owner from down the street "3 homes done from me" came up and asked me if i would take a quick look at the roofers on thier home, i asked if they saw them doing some thing wrong, home owner replied, no but i was trying to ask them about if the darker colored roof deck meant it was bad but no one on the crew speaks english " 7 people on the crew", the contractor they were working for was not answering his phone.
The guys did a fast, neat and good job but not one spoke english.

If i lived in France i'm sure i would be exspected to speak french eventually right?
Rather or not we should be a multi lango culture is beside the point, the fact is English is our language and anyone participating in an english formatted country should beable to speak, read and write english and i do not find that pregidous at all.
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Why do most avoid the actual problem?

THE PROBLEM is our broken down government!

People refer to "immigration REFORM"....say what?

There's no reform needed....all the laws/regs are in-place.....Our gov't just chooses not to enforce them.

That's the honest-to-god truth/fact-o-the-matter!

Until the gov't and the pertenent employees are held accountable/admit the problem, this will be a never-ending subject/debate...

The gov't and miss-guided media continue to dupe the public into thinking we should punish the employers and the illegals themselves, when it is the gov't itself that is perpetuating it.

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Funny how the "illegal" that got caught hiring illegals is the one used as the poster boy for what's wrong with the industry when it's "American" born & bred contractors who are the force behind hiring illegals.

There isn't one Roofing Company in my area that isn't made up mostly illegals.

Period.

None of them are "illegal" owners...all are "Amercian" citizens.

Not in anyway defending illegal work, but come on gents...if they weren't given the work, do any of you think they'd be doing it?

Don't just lock up the "illegal" alien contractor, but start up with all the "American" contractors who hire them FIRST...those are the guys we can actually trace and easily convict.

Boy, they wasted no time in locking up the "illegal", but what about all the "American" contractors using illegals now (which is the overwhelming majority of them)?
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Some of these posts remind me of those two republican hypocrites who ranted and raved about "English Only".

Guess what...they ran Political Ads in Spanish in Florida when it came to their getting elected.

Give me a break.

No one was forced to speak any language when this country was taken over by The Europeans.

I mean really, if we really were "real" Americans, shouldn't we be talking Spanish (for it was discovered by The Spanish) or Italian (for it's named for an Italian) or Native American (the first to settle the land)?

How do we choose?

People should just speak English because it's the common language period, but to infer someone is "lesser" because they can't speak English, that's just plain wrong.
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The real immigrants are the ones crossing our borders illegally, taking money out of the pockets of American born men and womens pockets. Not only do we pay the government do discuss the problems of immigration, but to prevent it and the ones that sneak in take jobs from real American Contractors by doing tha work for a fraction of the cost, which is really easy to do when you have 15 roomates in a $300 a month house and you send your money to family in a foriegn country! If you love the country so much come here legally and bring your family, pay taxes, get permits, ( kinda hard to do when you cant speak english) carry insurance and then tell me how well a roofing crew does charging $90.00 a square
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Before you shoot your mouth off Second Gen you should first learn your history. Its called survival of the fittest, thats how history is written and countries boarder have always been formed. The Indians didnt have any guns the Spanish did, then the English kicked out the Spanish because they had a better navy.America has been an English speaking place since the 1600s get over it or move out. I too blame the contractors who sub to illegals as well as the country for not enforceing the law. Although they are starting too.
I cant blame some poor bastard from Ecudor for trying to better himself, but it is at our expence. Some people need to wake the #@$& up. By The way, if you are born in this country then you are a true Native American not a European.

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Old 02-06-2008, 09:57 PM   #34
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LOL, this post is going haywire. I agree with you Jim. I don't think we are going to win this battle however. The government is solely set on pleasing the minority. Look at the smoking bans and offroad trails. If it's not for the yuppies or the minorities, it's not happening.
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fact is, the economy of our country would collapse without the labor that illegal immigrants supply here. A large portion of the construction industry, along with agricultural, and the restaurant industry could not function without this labor. Is it fair, for guys who operate above the board with all the proper insurances and licenses? No, but kicking out all illegal immigrants is not the solution. It is my opinion from working with some of these people that given the opportunity, most would comply with our laws. There is no system, however, setup to make this affordable and less complicated for them. Just my opinion.
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We survived plenty well enough up here before they came with the storms. Now we just have a little more crime. I think that was a silly statement.

The point is they are stealing jobs. When I say "they" I mean the illegals and the ones hiring them. Sure they can do 10 jobs a day, but that money is only supporting one LEGAL American family(the employer). Those 10 jobs could be supporting 10 crews for a week that are all tax paying citizens. Now, how much money are we losing?
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mjw, THAT was a silly statement. Do you really think ALL the money that is made here by illegal immigrants is sent back to mexico? I guess they don't eat food from our markets and restaurants, live in our apartments and houses, buy gas at our stores, etc., etc. Consider that. That is alot of money taken out of our economy if they leave. I'm not sure what storm you are referring to, mexicans have been immigrating here for many decades. I'm in arkansas, and it is hard to find good help here, especially good LEGAL help. Most of our unemployed would rather get the welfare check. apparently roofing is hard work.
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You have a good point finding good workers.

Do you think they spend what legal citizens do? Probably not.

It's the same amount of money per job, which means it should be the same amount put back into the community. BUT if even a dollar makes it back out of the country, it is a dollar lost.

Whether you can get workers or not, they are still taking jobs from someone who does have workers that are legal.

In blunt terms....They are stealing our jobs and stealing our money, anyway you look at it.
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MJW, I understand your argument. I install a very specialized roofing material, so i am not impacted on a daily basis like some are. What I am saying is that the solution to this problem is more complex than kicking all the illegal immigrants out. There are more variables to consider when arguing this subject. Below is a clipping from an article in our paper here from November:


The Urban Institute estimates that immigrants contributed almost $3 billion to the state's economy in 2004, with an after tax income of $2.7 billion. Even after subtracting 20 percent for savings and remittances to family members back home, their spending still had a total impact on the state of $2.9 billion. Send them all home tomorrow and we would lose 23,100 jobs that immigrant spending supports (primarily native-born jobs) along with $618 million in lost payrolls. In Central Arkansas alone we would lose $638 million in business revenues, 5,000 jobs and $143 million in payroll from those jobs.
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Hey, what the Hell. Laws are for suckers anyway right ? They had a hell of a time in days of old to find people to pick cotton too.

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