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Old 09-25-2017, 03:33 PM   #61
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yes but i know guys that are already seeing problems with zip system and are encouraging wrb to be used with it
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:11 PM   #62
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yes but i know guys that are already seeing problems with zip system and are encouraging wrb to be used with it
What are the problems, the seams leaking?
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yes but i know guys that are already seeing problems with zip system and are encouraging wrb to be used with it


The words of Clay Chapman ring clearer after hearing the zip problems.


Less than 200 yrs. ago,sawmill technology entered the N.American scene,and with it,along with our vast forest resources,came the advent of light framing. Before we understood the full implications of this quick ready,stripped down form of construction before we had the mindset or faculty to grasp the many gross shortcomings,it became familiar and normal,part of our social and economic fabric.

Only after stick framing was a defining part of our building culture did we begin to realize flaws. Not all at once,and this is important to note,because it explains how we incrementally backed ourselves into the proverbial corner. One by one,we began to address issues as our ability to understand them materialized; in each instance adding resources ,energy,man power to shore up what is essentially ,shack technology......and each time,backing up adding uniquely designed products,highly manufactured composites and even language like "renewable " to soothe the collective green conscience,all the while backing up.


Each instance has been marked by discovery of some new hole in convention needing to be filled until we now actually put more into the practice of disposable buildings than we would building authentically and for the ages.

This is the dilemma we are now tightly lodged into this current position and we have walled ourselves in with a world economy dependent on the construction of pretend buildings".
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What are the problems, the seams leaking?
you know i'm not really sure but Mark Parlee [a one time contributor here and over at jlc] is a infiltration expert goes around the country helping find and correct problems mentioned it to me

..thinking about it maybe i shouldn't spoke like i know...story of my life
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"Less than 200 yrs. ago,sawmill technology entered the N.American scene,and with it,along with our vast forest resources,came the advent of light framing. Before we understood the full implications of this quick ready,stripped down form of construction before we had the mindset or faculty to grasp the many gross shortcomings,it became familiar and normal,part of our social and economic fabric.

Only after stick framing was a defining part of our building culture did we begin to realize flaws."


I don't know about that, sawn lumber and the platform framing revolution it ushered in made housing so much more affordable. The traditional stick framed house is cheaper to build, and easier to maintain than any other type of practical construction that I'm aware of. They're also very good in earthquakes and with ring nailing and improved load path connectors do well even in really high winds up to a point. What's not to like?
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"Less than 200 yrs. ago,sawmill technology entered the N.American scene,and with it,along with our vast forest resources,came the advent of light framing. Before we understood the full implications of this quick ready,stripped down form of construction before we had the mindset or faculty to grasp the many gross shortcomings,it became familiar and normal,part of our social and economic fabric.

Only after stick framing was a defining part of our building culture did we begin to realize flaws."


I don't know about that, sawn lumber and the platform framing revolution it ushered in made housing so much more affordable. The traditional stick framed house is cheaper to build, and easier to maintain than any other type of practical construction that I'm aware of. They're also very good in earthquakes and with ring nailing and improved load path connectors do well even in really high winds up to a point. What's not to like?
This part.

One by one,we began to address issues as our ability to understand them materialized; in each instance adding resources ,energy,man power to shore up what is essentially ,shack technology......and each time,backing up adding uniquely designed products,highly manufactured composites and even language like "renewable " to soothe the collective green conscience,all the while backing up.


Each instance has been marked by discovery of some new hole in convention needing to be filled.


The very aspect that triggered this response;New idea pops up,it is projected to be the answer to a maidens prayer (like zip systems) and boom,troubles in paradise........again. There you go,"another new hole in convention needing to be filled". The trade publications are filled with articles discussing how to cure the latest great system / method.
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What you are saying is - the industry has focused on quick & cheap, pushing aside traditional methods like masonry.

And each time "quick & cheap' shows problems - like water/wind infiltration, new fixes are required. Then those have to be fixed, etc.

Eventually, you end up with so much invested in a "quick & cheap" build, that it ends up costing more than the traditional methods.
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Couldn't disagree more, the combination of readily available uniform lumber components along with the miracle of the wire nail, a true revolution, exploded the affordable housing market and helped fuel an ever expanding middle class. A good stick framed house will last indefinitely, is easier to construct, easier to change if desired, a lot less expensive, and anything but a shack.

It's the mindset of it has to be difficult to be good that turns a blind eye to the myriad benefits of wood framed construction.
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A good stick framed house will last indefinitely,.

Really,,, A 2x4 house that is 1,200 years old
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Really,,, A 2x4 house that is 1,200 years old
Well, okay, not indefinitely but a good long while. I've worked on plenty out here that are closer to 100 years old than 50. What's interesting on a lot of the old homes here in the San Diego area and I suspect throughout the state is a lot of them are framed with redwood. Redwood for years was the cheapest framing lumber around, it'd be barged down here from the mills in the northwest.

It's the reddest wood you'll ever see, termites won't touch it, usually won't find a knot anywhere and usually full dimensional and rough sawn.
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Yeah,except one thing overlooked,take any frame house built in 1920,a top quality paint job today will exceed the cost spent to construct the building. Plus,that very home probably was painted every 10-15 from birth,or at least it should have been.
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termites won't touch it, usually won't find a knot anywhere and usually full dimensional and rough sawn.
You need to get out more
The termites over here eat it.
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Well, I'm in California so your termites really aren't an issue for me are they?
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Is there any situation where metal is not the ideal solution? I will need to replace my own roof in the next 5 years or so and I am not sure i am sold.

I also see a lot of variation in installation methods.
Yes. If you are going to sell your house in the next 5 or 6 years don't opt for the metal roof. You will never get your investment back. Also consider whether it looks good on the house. If not then selling the home with a metal roof may be a problem.

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Definitely see a growth in popularity.

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