Illegal Labor

MJW

Here are some pics of a "reputable" company in MN. I talked to this HO privately and actually referred him to forum member Dougger, but he went with this company anyways. 12 Mexicans in 10 hours.........

rbsremodeling

i am not trying to start an argument but why do you think they are illegal? Because their Mexican/Spanish looking

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MJW

Besides the obvious. I roughly know the numbers of this particular job. There is no way a business could operate and be successful paying 12 guys to do this small amount of work for 10 hours. That means, they are not paying taxes (illegal), no insurance (illegal), no license (illegal)......

wizendwizard

And did you immediately report the suspected illegal activity to your local authorities?

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rbsremodeling

What would he say, They look illegal to me. He is wearing a sombero and a scarf.

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WarnerConstInc.

Plus I think they removed the tag off those chair cushions, big trouble!!

wizendwizard

The first thing I would say is......."Don't they need a permit!!!"

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rbsremodeling

Would not need a permit for that here

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wizendwizard

They would here!

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Static Design

I wish I had there balance, my ass would be rolling off that roof.

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MJW

The company pulled the permit, I'm sure. These are just the subs. It happens all the time, and I have no idea how to combat this.

wizendwizard

Immigration services will do a drive up and anyone that runs is busted!

I'm not saying they are illegals.... I am offering suggestions on how to find out!

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There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant, they are either illegal or immigrants.
I'm Retired, or a student, don't really know anymore.

rbsremodeling

I would call osha, no fall protection, Call up very scared about the people on the roof, up there so high.

When Osha shows up. even if he gets away with the illegal workers the fine will put a dent in his pocket.

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smeagol

They are using hitachis my personal fave

ARoofing

How many squares can most people on here do with a 4 man crew, 2 nailers two helpers a good day for my crew is 25 squares on a 4:12 thats pretty simple and not to cut up.

MALCO.New.York

Hey OP...........I DO SERIOUSLY suggest that you remove the name of the Company from your post.... Libel and Slander are a MoFo!

EVEN if you speak the Truth!!!!

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apehangeralfy

Call the WC compliance officer and OSHA.

I counted about 10 violations just from the pics. No fall protection, ladder not tied off, ladder not 3' above landing...

mmike032

osha could make their yearly qouta of violations here. I've never seen a roofing crew tie off ladders, or have any kind of fall protection.

2ndGen

Some points:

Just because they're Hispanic, it don't automatically mean that their illegals, BUT let's face it...most illegals are Hispanic so I'd say that it's a safe bet to assume that their (mostly) illegals.

2ndly, around where I live, depending on the area, you can quickly deduce who's using illegals and who's not.

For example, in the Masonary Field; Pakistani illegals,
Roofing; Mexican/South American illegals,
Carpentry; Polish illegals,
Demolition; Russian illegals...it all depends.

So we can put that to the side.

And over here, the overwhelming majority of construction workers (both Union and non-Union) is comprised of illegals. It's it and that's that. It is what it is.

So, who's at fault? The illegal who wants to feed his family?
Who wouldn't work illegally if they weren't in America today.

The government that allows them to come in and the sanctuary states?
Yep.

The Contractors who hire them?
Yep.

But take them away and what do you have?

The collapse of several industries along with more employment opportunities for far lesser qualified American citizens putting especially the construction industry back to zero with labor retraining and with recruiting.

Fact is, their here because we like cheap things (housing, food service, hotels, etc...).

Get rid of them? Sure. Just be prepared for prices to skyrocket.

Make them legal? Okay, but now be ready to have to actually be responsible for giving them their rights as legal citizens (i.e. fair wages, medical/insurance coverage, etc...).

Thing is, we can't complain about them and allow them here at the same time as a country.

The only Americans who have any "right" to complain about illegal immigration are the Native Americans.

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2ndGen

Mind you, "if" we got rid of all the illegals and hired American Citizens in their places, mark my words that they would NOT get paid what the illegals were getting paid.

If we made the illegals "legal", even they wouldn't get paid what they were getting paid because instead of taking home $400. or $500. a week net, they'd be knocked back down to (after taxes) about $250.-$300. net.

Trust me, none of them would continue to break their backs for that type of money and they'd go home.

And no contractor is going to want to pay an illegal who's just turn legal what their "really" worth. They'd give them a choice. Either accept their current wages with the taxes taken out or quit. Contractors don't care...they'll go pick up crackheads before they pay "fair living wages".

Not all of them, just the ones around where I live.

Then, we'll have this flood of highly qualified, highly motivated individuals who now can acquire business licenses with 10's of thousands of dollars at their disposal to equip their businesses with and BOOM! Instant competition with the established companies having lost their best men.

What a nightmare.

Oh yeah, don't sleep on those illegals...they are the kings of saving money.
They can't buy homes or have bank accounts so they stash their money.
"If" they had legal status, the ones who've been here long enough would
have all they needed to launch their own Mom & Pop shops.

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