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Old 11-27-2011, 08:44 PM   #21
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Yes it is and yes we do
Well, when it gets buried in snow, I guess you gonna have one hell of an ice dam somewhere downstream of that thing.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:47 PM   #22
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I alerted the job super to this fact already... He was the one who put in the fan
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Is that shingle wrapped rake board done like that on purpose?
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Old 11-27-2011, 09:03 PM   #24
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I alerted the job super to this fact already... He was the one who put in the fan
With the torch down, you most likely are in good shape in that area. I just think it could have been detailed more efficiently to simplify things.

Without a curbside view, it's hard to say what cosmetic effect my idea would have had.

I've had to frame my share of less than perfect roof lines. lots of areas with diverters, EPDM or fiberglass/resin.
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loneframer;1339556]As the framer, I would have changed the design there. There should have been a diversion done starting from the ridge to the left, across to the roof on the right, creating 2 valleys that empty at or slightly beyond where the gutter on the right side ends. That rake on the right could have continued to plane into the rake on the left, eliminating the pocket.
I am having a hard time visualizing this...
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Is that shingle wrapped rake board done like that on purpose?

yup
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not that kind of help


i need to make this mess work somehow

currently the room just below the valley is showing water damage,looks to me the step flashing just ends at the stone

seems like i need to get the first step past the stone so it can drain out

idk... any suggestions?mason/metal/roofing guys?


sorry about the pic,h.o. took them
Is that real stone or lick & stick? I'm guessing the later. I can't see because of the ladder, but it appears the stone is laid on the roof for a few inches below the corner.

Set a 2x4 on the roof, narrow side up. Ride a grinder on top of it and cut the stone away over the shingles. Step flash and kickout to behind the house wrap. Install a piece of PT 2x4 in the void created and counter flash over it with cu.

edit: and move that downspout as mentioned earlier.
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I am having a hard time visualizing this...
Essentially, the roof to the right would not end with a fascia. It would continue down to meet the other roof, forming what I refer to as a dead valley, because there would be no slope to divert water.

To achieve a pitch, I would put a sleeper down that starts at the ridge on the left of your picture, following a level line over to the roof on the right.

From the corners of the sleeper, to the point where the two roofs meet on the open end, strike lines and lay valley plates. Fill in a few jacks and sheath it.

It looks like you would end up with enough slope to lay I&W and simply shingle the area.

The other thing I see that troubles me is the outlet on the gutter. It appears that it simply dumps into the corner of a suspect area. I see major ice build-up in that corner after a good snowfall.
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Tom,

Here's what I'd do:
1. Remove shingles to deck

2. Remove siding 3' vertically

3. Re-frame the roof against the siding to continue down onto the next roof.
This will eliminate that open space where water/ice/snow will build up and
I'd use a closed-valley.

4. That's going to leave you some fascia area right next to the stone
(a right triangle shape). That can be strategically trimmed with coil
stock to blend in.

5. I'd wrap all of that with Ice & Water shield and go up at least 24" up the wall before step-flashing it in. Also, I'd build up a "cant" from the wall out just for a little security; Not an aggressive height, but just enough to convince the water to not hang around there.

6. When you re-install the leader, use a "B" elbow to point the water towards the other roof (not directly "at" the valley). I'd form my own elbow there. It looks like an factory "B" might shoot the water past the gutter. What angle? Like my old man taught me "think like water" when you decide what angle to make it and I'd cut the bottom of the elbow at the same pitch of the roof (to control any heavy rain).

[You could also re-locate that little leader (downspout) and install it on the front of that wall, turning the elbow directly "into" the gutter. It might not be as clean looking as running it on the side is, but it will definitely eliminate a lot of issues with it and personally, I think it would look better than the extra 4"-6" that it's extended past the rake now.]

7. Where those leaves are settling? It looks like built-up underlayment is causing a little damming there.

I've attached the pics with how I'd alter them.

If you do go ahead with relocating the leader,
I'd use standoff brackets like these for that stone
(they'd be a nice clean install):

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Essentially, the roof to the right would not end with a fascia. It would continue down to meet the other roof, forming what I refer to as a dead valley, because there would be no slope to divert water.

To achieve a pitch, I would put a sleeper down that starts at the ridge on the left of your picture, following a level line over to the roof on the right.

From the corners of the sleeper, to the point where the two roofs meet on the open end, strike lines and lay valley plates. Fill in a few jacks and sheath it.

It looks like you would end up with enough slope to lay I&W and simply shingle the area.

The other thing I see that troubles me is the outlet on the gutter. It appears that it simply dumps into the corner of a suspect area. I see major ice build-up in that corner after a good snowfall.
LF,

Do we have the same idea?
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Tom:
As low as that J-Channel is I wouldnt be suprised if its not part of a problem. I'd be for checking on what they did behind the siding, I like to keep the J up at least an inch that keeps nails up 2 1/4.

Maybe some painted L trim 3x3 behind the siding and sealed and screwed thru shingles
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The other thing I see that troubles me is the outlet on the gutter. It appears that it simply dumps into the corner of a suspect area. I see major ice build-up in that corner after a good snowfall.
That gutter is going to be sloped to the outside to avoid dumping more water into the trouble area
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I would do something along the lines of what I did here, grind out your reglet, somewhat smooth out the stone, tapcon a 1x something to it, flash , counterflash, done.

This of course assumes you remove siding, shingles, etc., but this should solve the stone issue.

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What...you mean that bead of caulk at the chimney:shingle interface won't keep out water...



This is how we do our flashing in similar situations.
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C'mon WoW, we all know caulk fixes everything!
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C'mon WoW, we all know caulk fixes everything!
Well yeah! What do you think is on the top of that reglet.....


Tom, you know that is probably a siding issue or ice issue. Once you take it apart you will find it rather easily I'm sure.


Loneframer....how could that be an ice problem in there? I didn't read where there was an insulation or ventilation problem....
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For the original question by Tom, I would do something like this;


Depending on the budget, epdm, modified or single ply would all work. Just get the shingles and step flashing out of the way.


For that last set of photos with the chimney cricket, why all that work with the new 1x and cutting/chiseling of the chimney.
Why not just counter flash to the existing mortar joints?
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For the original question by Tom, I would do something like this;

Depending on the budget, epdm, modified or single ply would all work. Just get the shingles and step flashing out of the way.

For that last set of photos with the chimney cricket, why all that work with the new 1x and cutting/chiseling of the chimney.
Why not just counter flash to the existing mortar joints?
Because you can't flash something that's all lumpy
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It's hard to tell in the picture, but the center of those stones are about 1 1/2"- 2" off the mortar line

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