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Old 08-31-2017, 09:50 PM   #41
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I would call for a framing inspection and at the same time tell the contractor you want him to come over and talk about a fix.

Then when the inspector sees this mess, and the contractor standing there...well, you can imagine what will happen.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:55 PM   #42
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I also have some additional pics I'll put up. You'll like how the back end of the gazebo roof looks.


Please.. The anticipation is killing me..I'm betting its a perfectly framed cricket




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The owner of the company finally contacted me and demanded more money before they would talk about fixing anything. Soon as I get this thing fixed and weather tight again I'll start on my list for making their lives miserable.

Here's what we found when we pulled the sheathing behind the gazebo. Whoever identifies the most problems wins a prize.

http://prntscr.com/gpwxjb

http://prntscr.com/gpwxxf

They nailed scrap pieces of sheathing all over the place and thought they'd make good structural support
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I put up a web page to document the entire thing at www.******.com. Should have the rest of these pics up there in the next day or two.

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If you guys could help me out by sharing that website with others and linking to it on other sites, I'd appreciate it. Will help it move up the ranks when someone google searches the company.
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Here's another of my favorites. Meant to include it in the previous posts.

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Wow, what in the actual fu**!! Looks like the work of some of the Brazilian framing crews around my way.

I actually know of a clown in the suburbs of Philadelphia running just such a crew and doing hatchet work like this. I don't know how or why anyone would except this or how they've been able to get away with it. Good luck! Not sure what part of PA your in but if it's not to far from southern NJ I could pop over the bridge with a crew and frame that roof up real nice for you.

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Wow, what in the actual fu**!! Looks like the work of some of the Brazilian framing crews around my way.

I actually know of a clown in the suburbs of Philadelphia running just such a crew and doing hatchet work like this. I don't know how or why anyone would except this or how they've been able to get away with it. Good luck! Not sure what part of PA your in but if it's not to far from southern NJ I could pop over the bridge with a crew and frame that roof up real nice for you.

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NJGC thanks for the offer. I'm near Pottstown, Pa so probably a bit far for you guys. My back is doing better so this whole thing is forcing me out of retirement. Guess I have one more porch in me.

We ripped out the entire corner behind the gazebo, cut out the sheathing on the gazebo roof, installed 2x12's on the gazebo rafters, then installed new rafters and sheathing on the corner. The rafter cuts on the gazebo end took a little time with the multiple angles but it took a lot less time than what they did. It's amazing how much longer things take to do the wrong way.

Filed the lawsuit yesterday. wish me luck.

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Filed the lawsuit yesterday. wish me luck.

Here are some pics of the fixed corner.
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That there is some fine looking re-engineering of the Simpsons... I assume they have stamped drawings to support that, right?
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That there is some fine looking re-engineering of the Simpsons... I assume they have stamped drawings to support that, right?
Uhhhh.....what re-engineering are you referring to? Those look like 2X6 45 degree right and left hangers to me......what do you see?

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Uhhhh.....what re-engineering are you referring to? Those look like 2X6 45 degree right and left hangers to me......what do you see?

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Now that you say it, I'm thinking you're right, but https://prnt.sc/gqsq6t looked like ragged grinder cuts to me... (maybe I just need another cup of coffee to be able to see straight).
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Now that you say it, I'm thinking you're right, but https://prnt.sc/gqsq6t looked like ragged grinder cuts to me... (maybe I just need another cup of coffee to be able to see straight).
Lol maybe. The hangers look a lil low thus the rafters are not fully seated I'll give you that but I don't think they modified them.

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The rafters aren't modified. They are cut to 18 degrees for the 4 12 pitch with a 45 miter. They even on the top but lumber ain't what it used to be. Wasn't gonna break out the jointer for framing construction that will be buried behind the ceiling

standard 45 joist hangars. no mods
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Update - was awarded refund of all money I paid these guys plus more for material replacement in my civil suit. The Attorney General was a dead end. They say they have no authority to do anything to these guys but would take it into consideration during their next registration renewal. The judge recommended that I file a report with the police since there are new laws against bad contractors. It's unlikely that I'll ever see a dime out of these guys but everything so far was pretty cheap and easy so no downside to it.

At this point I've ripped out and replaced almost everything that was wrong and it's starting to look decent. Will pick up in the Spring once it starts getting warm again. At least the roof is done and the house is all sealed up and ready for winter.
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Your reglet alone and that I/W roll up is not enough to waterproof the stucco wall/roof juncture. If you didn't slide paper or flashing up under the existing WRB...it will leak during saturating rains.
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ouch
i see the framiing

not good

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stuff like this turns my stomach!!!! and to a point i feel bad for you! But Jebus Man???? as" a guy in the trades" i find it hard to believe that an abortion of this magnitude got as far as it did....

guys that produce this kind of work can be spotted before they even plug a tool in!!! even if I was on meds and wearing an eye patch, That crew would have been greeted with a cup of coffee and a 12 guage on the second day
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threw out my back and the wife was getting a little concerned about not being able to use our front door so I hired a sub to install a roof on my front porch. I couldn't get up there to really look at what they were doing for the first couple of days. Things didn't look too bad from the ground but when I was finally able to get up on a ladder here are some pics of what I found. I paid them a good bit of money up front but it will cost a good bit of money to rip out and replace what's wrong. I'm debating whether I rip out the entire thing and start over.

Used ice and water on the entire roof but stapled it down instead of pulling the backing - http://prntscr.com/geh5tt

That's ridiculous. Either the person really could have just cared less, or they were being SO lazy that they just wanted to get it done fast and had no intention of ever coming back. It's insanely obvious that it has a backing that needs to be pulled off with an adhesive. How do you NOT see this?

I think there was an Ask This Old House, or maybe it was the full show, where they were replacing the roof, and the shingles (which had adhesive backing not exposed / used) were just sliding off. They had also been nailed down further down (rather than under the preceeding shingle)... what a waste. Not only that, all the sheething has staple holes in it now.


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Here's what we found when we pulled the sheathing behind the gazebo. Whoever identifies the most problems wins a prize.

http://prntscr.com/gpwxjb

OMFG... literally none of the 2x8s line up, none of them are parallel, and the angles are cut so poorly that... I mean... WTF is this? What in the f**k.


This literally looks like they built a roof from scrap wood they had lying around from an old construction site.


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Lol. You get what you pay for. It's amazing how contractors always screw homeowners who have checked their references, read reviews, signed contracts, pulled permits and verified insurance and in your case BONDS.

You did do all of that right? With the internets resources you have ZERO excuses. The mess you have found yourself in is your doing. Penny smart and pound foolish I say.

Now, Go forth and badmouth all contractors when you hired a hack.
Hey Bailey, your name looks familiar, are you on the This Old House forums???


Before I promised myself that I'd do everything myself from here on out, I hired a contractor to build a home addition to my home in South Florida. They promised it would take 6 months.

It was back in 2002, so references weren't as easy to get as they are now. They came highly recommended by the architects.

Anyway, the BLUF is that the I ended up having to finish about 20% of the home addition myself because the contractor was wanted for murder for one of his sub-contractors. I later learned that he had lost his license, but then got a new license under his wife's name. I had already paid 95% of the home addition with only 80% of it done.

It took 2 years to add 400 square feet.

The windows were put in at a slight angle... so they never really open well... it was a mess. As a matter of fact, the only thing that was really done right were from the masons. The slab, the concrete walls (this is South Florida), etc. All done really well. but everything else was crap.

When supplies were delivered, they'd get delivered half-assed with no one there to accept them. I came home from work one day to see 15 trusses that had just been dumped in my front yard. Had to carry them all in myself into the backyard and then cover them with a tarp during the rain storm. When the roofers finally did the work, they were short one truss so I have a "V" where a section of the old hip-roof meets the new flat roof of the home addition. I had leaks there every major rain storm until I went out there and tore it all out and slathered a bucket of tar, tar-paper and re-shingled.


Experience with carpet installers is the same way. I'd pay them half up front, and then lunch time woudl come around and they'd tell me they needed more materials and to give them the balance... which I'd do, and they'd never come back.

I've told tilers I wanted it diagonally, so they do it straight (outside patio), then cut the sides off with a wet saw after installed (rather than cutting the tile individually). Just such crap work... all the time.


Even with cars... I'd take my car in, and they'd make stuff up, or replace stuff that didn't need replacing.


Good news is... I've forced myself over the past 20+ years to do everything myself... literally everything. From computers, general contracting, car repair... whatever. I'll build a computer, rebuild an Olds 455 big block, reflash the car's ECM, tile my bathroom. Soooo tired of getting taken advantage of.

I've learned one thing in this life (other than that Rocky Mountain Oysters aren't really oysters)... no one cares more about your problems than you do.

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Your reglet alone and that I/W roll up is not enough to waterproof the stucco wall/roof juncture. If you didn't slide paper or flashing up under the existing WRB...it will leak during saturating rains.
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That's ridiculous. Either the person really could have just cared less, or they were being SO lazy that they just wanted to get it done fast and had no intention of ever coming back. It's insanely obvious that it has a backing that needs to be pulled off with an adhesive. How do you NOT see this?

I think there was an Ask This Old House, or maybe it was the full show, where they were replacing the roof, and the shingles (which had adhesive backing not exposed / used) were just sliding off. They had also been nailed down further down (rather than under the preceeding shingle)... what a waste. Not only that, all the sheething has staple holes in it now.





OMFG... literally none of the 2x8s line up, none of them are parallel, and the angles are cut so poorly that... I mean... WTF is this? What in the f**k.


This literally looks like they built a roof from scrap wood they had lying around from an old construction site.




Hey Bailey, your name looks familiar, are you on the This Old House forums???


Before I promised myself that I'd do everything myself from here on out, I hired a contractor to build a home addition to my home in South Florida. They promised it would take 6 months.

It was back in 2002, so references weren't as easy to get as they are now. They came highly recommended by the architects.

Anyway, the BLUF is that the I ended up having to finish about 20% of the home addition myself because the contractor was wanted for murder for one of his sub-contractors. I later learned that he had lost his license, but then got a new license under his wife's name. I had already paid 95% of the home addition with only 80% of it done.

It took 2 years to add 400 square feet.

The windows were put in at a slight angle... so they never really open well... it was a mess. As a matter of fact, the only thing that was really done right were from the masons. The slab, the concrete walls (this is South Florida), etc. All done really well. but everything else was crap.

When supplies were delivered, they'd get delivered half-assed with no one there to accept them. I came home from work one day to see 15 trusses that had just been dumped in my front yard. Had to carry them all in myself into the backyard and then cover them with a tarp during the rain storm. When the roofers finally did the work, they were short one truss so I have a "V" where a section of the old hip-roof meets the new flat roof of the home addition. I had leaks there every major rain storm until I went out there and tore it all out and slathered a bucket of tar, tar-paper and re-shingled.


Experience with carpet installers is the same way. I'd pay them half up front, and then lunch time woudl come around and they'd tell me they needed more materials and to give them the balance... which I'd do, and they'd never come back.

I've told tilers I wanted it diagonally, so they do it straight (outside patio), then cut the sides off with a wet saw after installed (rather than cutting the tile individually). Just such crap work... all the time.


Even with cars... I'd take my car in, and they'd make stuff up, or replace stuff that didn't need replacing.


Good news is... I've forced myself over the past 20+ years to do everything myself... literally everything. From computers, general contracting, car repair... whatever. I'll build a computer, rebuild an Olds 455 big block, reflash the car's ECM, tile my bathroom. Soooo tired of getting taken advantage of.

I've learned one thing in this life (other than that Rocky Mountain Oysters aren't really oysters)... no one cares more about your problems than you do.
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