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Old 08-29-2017, 08:36 AM   #1
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threw out my back and the wife was getting a little concerned about not being able to use our front door so I hired a sub to install a roof on my front porch. I couldn't get up there to really look at what they were doing for the first couple of days. Things didn't look too bad from the ground but when I was finally able to get up on a ladder here are some pics of what I found. I paid them a good bit of money up front but it will cost a good bit of money to rip out and replace what's wrong. I'm debating whether I rip out the entire thing and start over.

We live in SE Pa so can get a good bit of snow and ice.

Looking for opinions as to what is a fair resolution with the contractor and options for convincing him to do what's right. Refunding all my money is top of my list at the moment.

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Used ice and water on the entire roof but stapled it down instead of pulling the backing - http://prntscr.com/geh5tt

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Old 08-29-2017, 09:00 AM   #2
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more pics at http://s38.photobucket.com/user/moca...lideshow/Porch
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So let me get this straight....you are a general contractor and you don't have a framing/ carpenter sub that you have a relationship with that you trust to do this somewhat complex raftering on your own house?

I call shenanigans. Smells like a cannery in here.

Be honest now....you are a homeowner who hired the craigslist guy
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You have to give him a chance to make it right. Also, this should have been permitted and inspected.
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Go easy on the guy. He looks legit with some googling.
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We must use a different Google....i come up with one profile linked to FB and the dude works at Amazon
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Are there footings?
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Cut the guy a break... You think it's that easy to f'k a structure up like this? It's a skill.
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We must use a different Google....i come up with one profile linked to FB and the dude works at Amazon
I come up with a builder in Pottstown, PA.
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Lol. You get what you pay for. It's amazing how contractors always screw homeowners who have checked their references, read reviews, signed contracts, pulled permits and verified insurance and in your case BONDS.

You did do all of that right? With the internets resources you have ZERO excuses. The mess you have found yourself in is your doing. Penny smart and pound foolish I say.

Now, Go forth and badmouth all contractors when you hired a hack.
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wow, you guys are tough lol. I do flips and rentals and always did the framing myself with my sons and a friend. I do some outside work for friends and family but generally try to avoid outside jobs. I don't consider myself a professional cause I'm not fast enough to compete with the real pros, but I know quality work and I have done a lot of it over the years. The general contracting business is really there to support the real estate side of the business.

I'm legit though. These guys came highly recommended and checked out.

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Game room on the 2nd floor of my addition. I did everything on the addition (including excavating, concrete, framing, roof, drywall, flooring etc) except for mechanicals and painting. The crown molding in this pic was done by a friend of mine.
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Black walnut island countertop from a tree in my back yard. I cut it down and slabbed it with a chain saw, dried it, then finished it myself from 3 12" slabs that are 2" thick
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Also used the black walnut to build a custom range hood. I'll admit that the front corner is a bit squirrelly but I still like how it came out.
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Can't take credit for building this - a carpenter friend did that, but the walnut came out of the same tree
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So no, I'm not just your average homeowner that got screwed by a contractor. I've done this a long time and used hundreds of contractors over the years and never ran into anything this bad. I will admit that with the pain I was in from my back I probably missed some queues I would normally have picked up on.
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Permits were pulled for this. I don't do any work or let any work be done without em. I'll have the township inspector for leverage in negotiating with the guys who did this.

I had 4 contractors quote on the porch and the guys who did this were near the top of the pack cost-wise. This wasn't a case of trying to cheap out.

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Not saying I don't believe you but that's hard to swallow! Perhaps they bid it so high hoping you would say no (because its out of their wheel house.)

Don't let em sink another nail, or STAPLE for that matter.

Sure hope they have a surety bond.
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I'm legit though. These guys came highly recommended and checked out.
I wouldn't admit it. What you are saying is you let this crap happen on your personal dwelling.

What you are also saying is that you would let this happen on a customers home.

DAMN!
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Not trying to pile on but that bracket to hold half round gutter ain't gonna work either.


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wow, you guys are tough lol.
I see you're used to it, HOs usually aren't.
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I wouldn't admit it. What you are saying is you let this crap happen on your personal dwelling.

What you are also saying is that you would let this happen on a customers home.

DAMN!
Probably on his back with pain meds. It's a dinky little porch roof project, what could go wrong?
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Probably on his back with pain meds. It's a dinky little porch roof project, what could go wrong?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight! We can reschedule for rain, but not a medical issue.

I forgot about the "Not my fault - couldn't manage the job because of my bum back" clause.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight! We can reschedule for rain, but not a medical issue.

I forgot about the "Not my fault - couldn't manage the job because of my bum back" clause.
He's the HO in this case, so he shouldn't have to do anything beyond laying around eating bon bons and writing the check...

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