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Old 06-28-2010, 12:34 PM   #1
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How Do Most Of You Dispose Of Your Shingles After A Tear Off?


Do most rent a dumpster? I've ran into a problem with a home owner, We use dumpsters and the home owner wont let use put a dumpster on his brick paver drive way..... So I was wondering if any of you guys have used the boxxster? And what is your review on it? Im thinking of giving them a call, it looks like and interesting way of disposing of the shingles ect it seems to be a whole ordeal to save time and money not only is it a container system its a service they pick the shingles/containers up and recycle them.

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Old 06-28-2010, 12:39 PM   #2
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I order lugger boxes.
Lay down a couple sheets of OSB,
they set the box straight down,
pick it straight up.
No damage even on fresh asphalt
in August.

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We back a dump trailer in driveway and remove at the end of the day
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doesn't anyone else own dump trucks?
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This is one of those topics that gets discussed just about once a year. You can search the forum and find a few posts very similiar.
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he posted the same ? on diy
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Do most rent a dumpster? I've ran into a problem with a home owner, We use dumpsters and the home owner wont let use put a dumpster on his brick paver drive way..... So I was wondering if any of you guys have used the boxxster? And what is your review on it? Im thinking of giving them a call, it looks like and interesting way of disposing of the shingles ect it seems to be a whole ordeal to save time and money not only is it a container system its a service they pick the shingles/containers up and recycle them.

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As a contractor you shouldn't have even thought about putting a dumpster on a paver driveway.

Dump trucks work well, I would still put down osb or plywood on the driveway.
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he posted the same ? on diy

he sounds like a weekend warrior or a wannabe contractor.

I am sure a roofer like grumpy will have to clean up this guys mess.
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As a contractor you shouldn't have even thought about putting a dumpster on a paver driveway.

Dump trucks work well, I would still put down osb or plywood on the driveway.
I put dumpsters on paver driveways frequently but no matter what kind of driverway, concrete, asphalt or brick paver, I always put the dumpsters on wood.



Not only did he post it on DIY but on RT as well.
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We'll i just pulled the trigger on a set of the boxxster's, because i did not want to deal with trying to find a local yard to take the shingles or get a permit to dump them! They handle the removal of the full containers and they recyle them. So they rented me 5x2 cubic yard contrainer's that I can place around the house and throw them right into the box's....... I will let you guys know what happens
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I own a trash/roll-off company and I won't put a can on a paver driveway without at least wood or a driveway pad, AND a signed waiver by the HO in advance of delivery.
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I own a trash/roll-off company and I won't put a can on a paver driveway without at least wood or a driveway pad, AND a signed waiver by the HO in advance of delivery.
Make yourself popular,
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We just use dumpsters. Well, occasional dump trailers, but typically dumpsters.
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Make yourself popular,
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One was in the works actually (they are VERY handy have for the right sites, etc.), but we started seeing the economy/local market turn and all major capital expenditures were put on hold.
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I own every aspect of my business and never rent.

We use dump trailer.

Thought about a dump truck but there are several drawbacks for me. Were do you put the air compressor? How about the ladder? How many guys can a dump truck haul? Higher registration, more weight on the drive way. Could go on...

Oh, also don't like being at the mercy of another company deciding how they drop the dumpster and when they decide to pick up.

When we pull away with the dump trailer the area under the dump trailer is magnet rolled and swept.
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I own every aspect of my business and never rent.

We use dump trailer.

Thought about a dump truck but there are several drawbacks for me. Were do you put the air compressor? How about the ladder? How many guys can a dump truck haul? Higher registration, more weight on the drive way. Could go on...

Oh, also don't like being at the mercy of another company deciding how they drop the dumpster and when they decide to pick up.

When we pull away with the dump trailer the area under the dump trailer is magnet rolled and swept.
I think you were looking at a dump truck in somewhat the wrong light. A dump trailer you pull behind your truck and in your truck you have your tools and in your trailer you have your garbage. A dump truck you have just your driver and garbage. You would still have your regular van/truck with your tools that you would leave at the job site. Since a man has to leave the job anyways to dump the garbage, for me I don't think it makes sense to bring the truck with all the tools and odds and ends to do that during the course of the work. What if someone needs something while you are gone?

Then again if you live right by the dump and area going to take the trash home with you, that's a different story. However from a strictly financial point of view neither a dump truck nor a dump trailer makes any sense for me. It'd be break even, so why take on the extra overhead and liability of break even? Then again I discovered, only recently, that some guys are paying half per ton what I pay for disposal... for them I can see why it makes financial sense to use the dump trailer or dump truck.
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I think you were looking at a dump truck in somewhat the wrong light. A dump trailer you pull behind your truck and in your truck you have your tools and in your trailer you have your garbage. A dump truck you have just your driver and garbage. You would still have your regular van/truck with your tools that you would leave at the job site. Since a man has to leave the job anyways to dump the garbage, for me I don't think it makes sense to bring the truck with all the tools and odds and ends to do that during the course of the work. What if someone needs something while you are gone?

Then again if you live right by the dump and area going to take the trash home with you, that's a different story. However from a strictly financial point of view neither a dump truck nor a dump trailer makes any sense for me. It'd be break even, so why take on the extra overhead and liability of break even? Then again I discovered, only recently, that some guys are paying half per ton what I pay for disposal... for them I can see why it makes financial sense to use the dump trailer or dump truck.
Thomas, my dump trailers hold up to 60 squares. Rarely do we do tear offs larger than this so leaving the site to go to the dump while the crew is on site is never an issue. As a matter of fact in the past say 500 or so tear offs can maybe count on one hand the times I've had to do this. My Dad used to bring his E250 van to the site with all the tarps, air compressors, etc. After his heart attack last year he's been lifted of this responsibility. Everything, and I mean everything goes in the crew cab long bed dually or in the dump trailer.

Now that the dump which is about 40 minutes from my house (do a lot of jobs within 20 minutes of dump) recycles all the shingles my dump fee has dropped a bit. On an average 35sq roof the fee is about $25-30. That being said it's much cheaper for me to pay for fuel and dump fee and spend less than two hours per job to dump myself. Local dumpster companies have been dropping there price here since so many contractors are wising up and buying dump trailers though. A 20 yard averages about $275-300 here.

I think your area charges an arm and a leg for disposal so I can totaly understand your reasoning to just rent a dumpster.

Before the drop in dump fee I did the hard math and calculated my time spent with the dump trailer saved me about $100 an hour over renting a dumpster.
The direct numbers look like this,
50 dump loads at $40 on average=$2,000 (old price, lower now)
80 miles both ways total to and from my house, 8 gallons of diesel fuel used $2.85 on average, $23 about. (again some times I go from site to dump, home, half the fuel used)=$1,150 if fuel. I plug my own tires when I get flats and my 04 dump trailer is still running on 4 of it's original 5 tires (cycle in the spare). Same goes for the dually's tires. Insurance on the dump trailers are about $240 per year, tabs are $38.50 I need insurance on the three work trucks so can't really figure that into the equation (got to get to work).
As far as the oil changes costs in the 4,000 miles traveled to the dump with trailer I run Amsoil and change every 25-30K miles. Almost erelevent.
That being said other than my time the total costs is around, $3,710 per year running the dump trailers.

Now try the math with dumpsters.
50 dumpsters at $300 a pop (average price goes up a bit after a big storm as the demand instantly raises)=$15,000.

Difference of $11,290. Figuring I spend about 2 hours on average with going to the dump from my house and back on 50 loads it's about 100 hours per year. $112.90 per hour for my times is ok. It's not nearly what I make on a roof but we take the entire Winter off and most of my dump runs are on rain days were I would just sit around and do paperwork.

Also I rent them out at $275 a pop and average about 10 rentals per year=$2,750. My wife wasn't happy about buying a second one back in 08 so decided to rent out if possible. In these cases I earn about $100 an hour for my time.

Also at the end of the year I can look out and see the two dump trailers ready for next year, rather than look into a file cabinet and see a pile of receipts. They also work great for moving rocks, gravel, sand, dirt, etc. for my wifes gardens. If you can afford them there a great investment!
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my roofer has two dump trucks, one gets used more than the other, and he has those thick plastic diamond plate mats for when it's soft. they work great
he can drive to the transfer station and dump it no issues with dumpsters , plywood etc.
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One aspect I may have forget to put into the equation is the cost itself of the dump trailer. Both are 14 yard/14ft PJ's both with factory made metal side wall extension. The 04 was $6,000 the 09 was $7,500. Right now I could get an easy $4,000 for the 04 and $6,000 for the 09. My total investment of $13,500 is still worth $10,000+. If you factor in the depreciation of the 04 it's only about about $333 per year (bought in 03 so ran for 6 years). The value of $4,000 will stay steady now as you can't find nice operational ones for less than this. As far as repairs only the 04 has had to have repairs on it. To date it's less than $1,000 or over 6 years $167 per year. It had to have all new brakes a couple years ago which was most of the $1,000.

Can't count how many times home owners comment on how nice the dump trailers are. Quite often they say how do you unload it? Lift the lid on the front and say with that botton!!! Also never had a home owner say they wanted a dumpster in there drive over a dump trailer. Most ask and are pleased to know they are getting a wheeled dump trailer in the drive.

Another huge benefit is when the boom truck rolls in I can roll the dump trailer out of the way and then back after the boom truck leaves. With a dumpster this isn't going to happen!

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