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Old 12-10-2005, 04:43 PM   #41
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Re: Hand Nail Vs Gun Nail


Red, with a line or two, a fella to drag to me and a little prep, I can hand properly nail a bundle every 6 minutes. However, I can't hold that pace long, couple hours maybe, it's been awhile since I tried to. If I tried a straight eight like that I might fall out. I think I average about 1.5 without too much sweat.

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Old 12-10-2005, 10:43 PM   #42
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I didnt mean to say that more than a sq. an hr is unheard of. I have seen many good shinglers ( hand nailers) nail more than a sq an hr like yourself Bob, Asphalt shingleing wasnt my strong point, I had been nailing wood roofs mostly.
But I was able to do 8-10 a day with asphalt shingles up to about a 7 / 12 pitch all new construction. That was considered pretty good.


A good hand nailer, all application requirments being equal, is just as fast as guns, like Grumpy has mentioned. IMO.

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Track times on a few hundred of each kind of application, then tell me the production rates are the same.
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Come on Red, are you trying to tell me you could light a smoke before I could shoot ya?

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Come on guys...
Grumpy lives in/around the windy city so, shingles blow off. I dont know if gun vs hand is the problem there. Six nails per should be the norm there IMO.
I understand some old timers can shoot roofing tacks out their wazoo but really... there is no way in Miami/Dade a hammer can compete w/ a gun on production rates.
As far as finished structural integrity goes you can improperly place or drive a nail with a hammer as well as with a gun. Really comes down to knowing what you are doing in the first place.

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I think maybe Im stuck in a different time, things I grew up doing. Im still using wooden ladders that I oil up every year.
That is another poll..........Ladders.
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Hey red_cedar and other vets here, regarding my previous comments, I meant no disrespect to any of you.
I still have alot to learn from you guys.
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No problem,
also, it might be good for an older dog to learn some new tricks sometimes
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I don't know about that, my little gal is still trying to get me to roll over.

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It's a poor musician who blames his instrument. I know, I know "This is about roofing!"
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I also use a "stripper" and ill tell you for the quality that you can maintain along with the speed comparable to a gunner, Id say its worth it to have a crew of hand nailers as long as they use strippers. I flipped nails the old fashioned way for a while, then I picked up a stripper and my speed doubled it seemed instantly. Not a problem to nail 3 to 4 squares an hour, in the field atleast. Even the new guys pick up nailing faster with the strippers.
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Quality is still crap hand nailing if the hand nailer sucks...it aint the guns, guys.
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Going back to hand nailing is like driving to the job site with a horse and buggy waggon with wooden ladders on it. We have install thousands of square, a lot of it right on the ocean gun nailed no problem
Quality is the same if you have guys that are trained and care.

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does it really matter?lot of discussion on a subject that looks like no one is gonna sway on.I've been laying them down for almost 20yrs and it doesn't matter to me.I get paid more to hand nail.still go on the same.
only complaint I've got with any would be some inexperienced kid triing to speed nail and just be speed screwing up.I quit working with people long time ago.now I just roof mainly new construction but I have a few contractors to call after they are tore off.too many headaches in owning and running a roofing crew.not enough reliable intelligent help around.
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Quality of work is the important fact of the matter. Too many "roofers" don't care anymore about quality just getting paid top dollar and moving on to the next job. I've got a young woman I'm training in as a shingle installer and she's really getting on me to make my quality the best it can be. I admit sometimes when rushed I'll do things not to the 100% quality standard.

Bet any money give this girl a year from now and she'll be quick and perfect quality.
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Too bad all you have to teach her is shingling, dougger. Someone like that can usually excel in most anything.

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No such thing as perfect if you ask me. There isn't a framing crew good enough to make the roof perfect.....in order to get a perfect job. The ones that come out close to perfect is when the framing, windows, siding, and roof are all done by the same crew. I feel that skill specializing is on it's way out. Once you learn how everything works, you can do a much better job. Most roofers don't know alot about framing and vice versa. See my point..........
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HOW the heck can you learn EVERYTHING related to roofing? It would take 3 lifetimes, and it is always evolving.
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Roofing is its own trade it always has been. a jack of all trades is a master of none.

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Roofing is its own trade it always has been. a jack of all trades is a master of none.

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I hear ya. I did nothing but roofing for 10 years. My dad has for 30 years. I am just saying that if you build it yourself, you know what works for waterproofing and such. Siders are the worst. Most know nothing about roofing and screw up alot of stuff.
No one knows everything, but it's easier to work with your own work. If you know what I mean.
"A jack of all trades is a master of none" Why can't you learn more than just one trade? You will be a much better contractor and won't have to depend on just roofing.

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