Gutters - Save Me From 'K' Type

Nailbird

I think this question belongs here...

I'm in Maryland and can't find anyone who can install seamless gutters other than 'K' style (ogee). These won't work on the large new custom home I'm now building, but I'm drawing blanks on finding a solution. Half-rounds won't work (large, steep roof). I've thought to look for box or fascia style gutters, but same story - nothing seamless. I'm trying to avoid sectional gutters. My longest run is 13'-8" so I thought I might find someone with a 14' brake - dead-end again. I've got coiled 2x6 soffits - plenty of meat for mounting, but too small for a large commercial box gutter (would overwhelm the house anyway). I've seen mention of machines that can form the kind of gutters I'm looking for, but I sure haven't found them.

Any ideas folks? I'm stumped!!

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NB

dennis

Why won't half round gutters not work on a large steep roof???

I'm thinking 20oz copper half round. The " World Gutter System" sold by slateandcopper co. is a great gutter.

and they sell 20' lengths

Ed the Roofer

There are alot of gutter suppliers, and probably in your neck of the woods too. Half rounds come in multiple configurations and sizes.

Check out one site call "classic gutters", which I believe the parent company is in Michigan, but they have contractor/dealers nation-wide.

Also, Raintrade Corp. @ guttersupply.com

Lots of information if you Google for it too.

Ed

Nailbird

I've thought about half-rounds, but with large roofs with 14/12 and 12/12 pitches I've been advised that they wouldn't hold the water. This is a coastal property and we get some pretty nasty squalls. As you can tell, I'm not a gutter expert - but many people have suggested that box or fascia type gutters would be a better solution.

I did find suppliers with 6" box gutters supplied in Kynar at 20' lengths and guess I will have to go this way. It seems that no one has a seamless gutter machine that makes anything other than K-type for residential use. I did find one manufacturer (www.nassermachines.com/page123.htm) that is just delivering a machine that can crank out several different profiles in a single machine. I'm just amazed such a machine wasn't around for the past 30 years.

Appreciate your comments.

Ed the Roofer

They also have seamless gutter machines for 1/2 rounds and the other varieties. I don't have a link available, but I printed out a whole bunch of sites where they were available about 5 years ago, for reference and for an additional option for a homeowner.

Try Googling seamless half round gutters.

Ed

roofsmart

If you put a 6 inch k style on the house with 3 by 4 downspouts , I dont see you having any problems if they are pitched properly and have enough downspouts I do a lot of gutters and never had any problems with custom homes or apartment complexes.

Ed the Roofer

If its a style thing, use another name for the gutters, which will work.

Tell them you are using " Old Gothic " style. That is the long version of what OG or OGEE stands for.

Its basically the same profile as a standard seamlell K-style, but sounds more historic, and it is accurate to call them that.

Ed

eavestroughs

look into commercial sized k-style (usually 6''-7''). as long as there is fascia or it is possible to strap under shingles you should be fine.

A W Smith

If your longest run is 13/8 how large can the roof be???? And unless its raining sideways steepness shouldn't be a factor. a 12/12 roof spanning 24 feet will see just as much rain during the same rainstorm as a 6/12 spanning 24 feet. Yes the steep roof will have more roof plane area but the clouds don't know the difference because the footprint is the same. If you have insufficient width for facia try englert leaf guard. If I recall they use the same coil as a 5 inch K but shorten the depth to get the leaf guard lip. Englerts always use a 3 x 4 leader. And ive seen 6 inch gutter on a 6 inch facia (a hipped ranch) and it looks like s***.

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johnk

Well it seems you have an idea of what you think you need.Draw it up,go to a fab shop.Custom=$$$

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Lefty H

Hi,

The people telling you that 1/2 round will not work, they know less about gutters then you do.

Go look at any church and see what they use.

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Ed the Roofer

Thats right Lefty.

1/2 Rounds come in many sizes.

Order what works for the rainfall amount and roof slope and surface area from the rain charts.

Ed

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WarnerConstInc.

I might be wrong but, I thought the 1/2 rounds were the best at moving large amounts of water. Especially the 6".

Patrick

http://www.rayjohnsonhomeimprovements.com/ These guys are in Maryland, and they will make you a seamless box gutter its steel though The are the local ABC seamless steel siding dealer

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rogeremasse

I realize this topic is several years old, but I too am in Maryland and am looking for something a bit more modern or industrial than the K style or half round style gutters. I would like seamless as well. Apart from the steel options from ABC seamless, are there any new developments? What did you end up doing Nailbird?

-Roger

Grumpy

What people have to understand about gutters, is the simple fact that many (not all) gutters are rol formed from a machine that is engineered for specifica sizes and shapes. Often times changes that seem simple or minor would require a complete retooling of the entire machine, or worse yet a whole new machine.

I operate under the philosohphy that if you can draw it we can bend it. Key word on "bend". A bending table, called a break, typically has a bend of 10' although I know of a couple people who have invested in a 20' table. We do a lot of custom gutters, mostly 10' lenghts, although we will also have one of the guys I know use the 20' table when absolutely necessary. Copper or galvanized can be soldered. The soldered seams, when done properly, often are the last place the gutter will leak from. For example 24 gauge galvanized is a common material for commercial gutters. It's not unusual for the gutter to rust through before the leaded soldered seam fails.

Like I said, if you can draw it we can bend it. But that doesn't always mean seamless. Seamless is good but it's not the end of the world if gutters have seams. Preferrably the gutter will be seamless, but if special attention is taken to the seams and corners, the gutter can be water tight for a very long time.


In regards to half rounds, they have a bad reputation because they are usually a hanging style gutter. Often the half round won't have a flashing at the fascia, or there might not even be a fascia, therefore any gutter without flashing doesn't operate well in a snow climate, especially if not properly pitched or undersized. However a half round gutter can be very functional, and even have a flashing if you have a roll form machine that can bend a "high back". The high back can be put on a break and a pitch bent into the gutter with integral flashing. Again you'd be limited to 10 or 20' lengths, and the pitch of the high back is best bent onsite.

GaryM

I am looking for a contractor who has a fascia gutter profile machine . It seems that this style is popular on the west coast but I have yet to find anyone east of the Miss. I have a project which has this profile specified . Any help would be greatly appreciated .